Posted on Jul 8, 2015
Train, Advise, Assist. Is this strategy still viable? Will Afghanistan end up like Iraq?
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Here I am in Afghanistan advising 800 ANA Soldiers to defend their country. I did the same thing in Iraq nine years ago. I would like to say that this concept has worked better here than Iraq, I don't think I could honestly say it has. What's your opinion on the fate of Afghanistan? Have you been an advisor?
http://www.army.mil/article/151893
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Yes and No. The strategy is and would be viable, if they were all in, and they had a country infrastructure to build from. They were essentially a failed state when we invaded. That is hard to fix, if they are not all in. We are also not all in, which is another recipe for strategic failure.
Iraq, had a government and rule of law, we just disassembled it after we invaded (bad call in my view). Then we got them to a point they could make it, and things looked promising. But, again I don't think they wanted want we wanted for them, they had too many internal struggles, and once again we left too soon. We are not good at the long haul anymore.
Honestly CSM (Join to see) I thought we gave Iraq every chance of success, but I neither believed Afghanistan would work. The latter, like Somalia, I thought would be like we were never there, as soon as we left.
Iraq, had a government and rule of law, we just disassembled it after we invaded (bad call in my view). Then we got them to a point they could make it, and things looked promising. But, again I don't think they wanted want we wanted for them, they had too many internal struggles, and once again we left too soon. We are not good at the long haul anymore.
Honestly CSM (Join to see) I thought we gave Iraq every chance of success, but I neither believed Afghanistan would work. The latter, like Somalia, I thought would be like we were never there, as soon as we left.
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CSM (Join to see)
Sir, I agree with you. I saw a dramatic change in the Iraqi National Police from when I was an advisor in 2006 and when I went back in 2008-09. The had improved greatly and thought that all our hard work had paid off. The Army was also much better in 08 compared to 06. Obviously they were not as prepared as I thought they were.
I am trying to stay motivated while advising these Afghans but I fear that they are going to eventually end up like the Iraqis but, instead of ISIS it will be the Taliban...again. I truly believe that it is not the Soldiers fault, the blame rest squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt leaders.
I am trying to stay motivated while advising these Afghans but I fear that they are going to eventually end up like the Iraqis but, instead of ISIS it will be the Taliban...again. I truly believe that it is not the Soldiers fault, the blame rest squarely on the shoulders of the corrupt leaders.
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COL Charles Williams
CSM (Join to see) - Hooah.... I can remember several things... In Aug 06 (we had just arrived and assumed the Brigade Mission... I remember being in downtown Baghdad... and how dark, and desolate it was... and knowing there could be bad guys anywhere... I remember standing in the road in front of our 1114, looking the map, and trying to find some reference points... GPS and BFT was not working so well... But what I remember is how dark it was... and silent.
In Nov 07, after the major Surge Operations, I remember, doing our LSR/RSR and how alive and vibrant the city was at night... it was light business as usual.... Lights, shops open, people walking and moving about... I thought... What a difference we had made... It seemed in that moment... all the casualties we suffered maybe were worth it....
I also remember meeting with Police Officials in Iraq and Afghanistan... Knowing that by night they would be trying to kill US forces... Or at least strongly suspecting it...
In Nov 07, after the major Surge Operations, I remember, doing our LSR/RSR and how alive and vibrant the city was at night... it was light business as usual.... Lights, shops open, people walking and moving about... I thought... What a difference we had made... It seemed in that moment... all the casualties we suffered maybe were worth it....
I also remember meeting with Police Officials in Iraq and Afghanistan... Knowing that by night they would be trying to kill US forces... Or at least strongly suspecting it...
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I think we can train, advise and assist until we are blue in the face but the proof of how well the ANA Soldiers will do will be when they are forced to act without us being there. I think that is what we saw in Iraq. We spent countless hours and money training and gearing them up but when it came time to put into practice; they threw their training, and their gear, into the wind and ran off.
What is the fate of Afghanistan? I would love to sit here and say they will become a great partner able to take the training we provide and run a successful military. Will that be how history remembers them? That I'm not sure about.
What is the fate of Afghanistan? I would love to sit here and say they will become a great partner able to take the training we provide and run a successful military. Will that be how history remembers them? That I'm not sure about.
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So, here is my $0.02 (and with the exchange rate, may be worth less than that to many!!)... The Mentorship (Train, Advise, Assist, or COIN, or whatever you want to call it) has GREAT potential. I think that it would work. My opinion is that there are a couple inherent flaws with the program as current politics are involved: 1. It is in association with a war (often not a politician's best friend after it has been going on for a bit). 2. Lack of political, military, and home resolve to complete the mission. 3. Failure to recognize what the mission complete looks like. I feel that in a radicalized nation such as Iraq and Afghanistan, the mission is a 50-75 year mission. We have to have people in place to mentor and guide the leadership, Mentor and guide the military/security forces, Mentor and Guide the EDUCATION SYSTEM. We need to be there for 1-2 generations ensuring the education system is up and running, education to ALL the kids....let these kids grow up, have more kids and educate THESE kids.... Let the "old guard" and "old ideas" along with the "old folks with set ways of thinking" die off. Only with this idea will we have complete and total success. Anything short of that fail as they respect the word of their village elders and will fall back into their old routines. I am not even sure that THIS plan would stand a test of time, but sure stands a better chance then current policies and thought processes.
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CSM (Join to see)
I agree sir. In order to be successful in nation building you definitely need to stay for the long haul. I do disagree with the point that we do not have the will to stay, in Iraq the government wanted us out, we tried to tell them to allow us to leave a security force but they refused. Afghanistan's new president is a little smarter than Karzai, we were supposed to decrease troops this year but he asked to keep the level the same. I have a feeling we will be here in Afghanistan for longer than anyone expected.
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Maj Chris Nelson
CSM (Join to see) You do have a point on if the nation WANTS us to stay or not.... that is a huge driving factor. But on the flip side, first thing that POTUS Obama said when he got in was "I am getting troops out of the war" or something to that effect. If the senior most leadership does not understand COIN and nation building, the sheeple of the USA will echo what they hear......
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