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Posted on Nov 8, 2016
What are your feelings on the electoral college representatives of NY, CA, and HI pledging their votes before the state results?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
The system is what prevents major city centers from having complete representation while "outlying areas" have none. We need the EC to spread the power back to the People.
The "flaws" in the system is that we have massively different sized states like California with 50+ votes (same issue with city centers), and that States have "winner take all laws." Get rid of Winner Take All and the system would generally self-correct.
The "flaws" in the system is that we have massively different sized states like California with 50+ votes (same issue with city centers), and that States have "winner take all laws." Get rid of Winner Take All and the system would generally self-correct.
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CDR Terry Boles
I've often said this seems to be an outdated voting system. It appears the Electoral College does not represent the entire population and with the concept that the PEOPLE send elected representatives to Washington to represent US, then it should be the popular vote. Not sure why the Electoral College is still here, but my thoughts. Good question..
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
Without the electoral college most states would be insignificant. California and New York could almost elect a president on their own. With the electoral college they still have the most votes but there is a ceiling. If everyone in CA votes for a candidate they still have 55 votes. Without that they could outvote most of the rest of the country. I find that objectionable. I don't want the entire country ran by the liberal nut cases on the left coast. This is even more of a problem since they are bringing in illegals by the millions and signing them up to vote.
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SSG G Smith
I hear you on the ability of the bigger states being able to choose a president on their own. I wouldn't take away the states electoral votes but make them follow the majority vote if that makes sense. Candidate A should not be able to have more votes in the state but lose that states electoral votes to candidate B because the majority of the state legislature is of an opposing party.
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I have not seen the final popular vote numbers, but the last time I checked Hillary was slightly ahead. I can see why the left would like to get rid of the process, because most of their support/votes come from the large cities and they could merely go to those locations and win the elections. Under what you suggest would have given us Gore and another Clinton. NO THANKS, I'm still on board with the Founding Fathers.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
Actually Hillary won CA and NY by a total of several million votes. A direct election system would allow the left to pretty much win all elections from now on without even bothering with about 2/3 of the nation. Just for example 30 states voted for Trump but Hillary had about a million more popular votes. That means that the people in about 2/3 of the country would have no say. As for electors not voting the way their state decided that is controlled by the states.
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We're electing the ELECTORS who have ALREADY PLEDGED THEIR VOTES.
That's how our system works.
The Popular vote is designed to give a "semblance of democracy" but it is NOT Democracy. Just like voting for a Senator or Representative does not guarantee they will vote the way you want them to. Electors (Electoral College) is no different.
That's why there are things called "faithless elector laws" to force electors to stick to their pledges.
That's how our system works.
The Popular vote is designed to give a "semblance of democracy" but it is NOT Democracy. Just like voting for a Senator or Representative does not guarantee they will vote the way you want them to. Electors (Electoral College) is no different.
That's why there are things called "faithless elector laws" to force electors to stick to their pledges.
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What are the repercussions for these electors? Have the broken any laws?
Maybe this is another system that needs to be revised. I am sure when the electoral college was established that no one would even consider not delivering the vote of their constituents. Maybe there needs to be a consequence.
Maybe this is another system that needs to be revised. I am sure when the electoral college was established that no one would even consider not delivering the vote of their constituents. Maybe there needs to be a consequence.
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LTJG (Join to see)
There definably need to be consequences. However, they have not broken any law. NY allows their electoral college reps to vote anyway they please. In this case, they said, screw Democracy, screw NY, and screw the American people - and voted their own way.
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It serves as an example of some of the corruption that needs to be eliminated.
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Nothing but wrong...still didn't help them though. They are to represent the people of that state and how can they do that if they haven't heard the voice of the people of the state through the election data. Jus my two pennies.
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LTJG (Join to see)
I told everyone voting in HI and NY (where I am stationed and where I am from) that their votes literally didn't matter because of the state's pledge to vote for HRC regardless of the outcome. At 0% vote count the states were already given to HRC. Really quite sad. Those three states had complete and utter disregard for Democracy.
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I was watching the election last night on TV and on my computer. I noticed a few things that raised my eyebrows. There was one point where (both California and Washington) Clinton was declared the winner in those states before ANY ballots and voter % was even reported.......
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LTC (Join to see)
That's because the networks are simply projecting who they think will end up winning. So when the polls first close is the first time they are allowed to announce the results of their exit polling where they ask people who they actually voted for. In states where a large majority of people voted for one candidate(like (CA) they are confident the trend from their exit polls will hold up. In closer states they wait for actual vote reprts from precincts
It used to be that networks would announce exit poll results all through the day, and sometimes made projections before the polls in a state even closed. So people would not vote after work, for example, if they heard on TV that a candidate won, they wouldn't go to the polls, which aLso affected voting on local issues. So the made it illegal for networks to announce anything about a state before the polls close in that state
It used to be that networks would announce exit poll results all through the day, and sometimes made projections before the polls in a state even closed. So people would not vote after work, for example, if they heard on TV that a candidate won, they wouldn't go to the polls, which aLso affected voting on local issues. So the made it illegal for networks to announce anything about a state before the polls close in that state
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LTJG (Join to see)
In several states, the electoral college can vote anyway they please - regardless of the state outcome. In other words, when your electoral college pledges to vote for a candidate months prior to election, your vote LITERALLY doesn't count. In my case, my vote didn't count. NY could vote 100% for Trump and HRC would have received all 29 votes.
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I feel that entire system need to revamped. What We have is a small group of elite that think they know better than the American citizens what is good for them or have ulterior motives. Seems to Me what the majority of Americans want should be the deciding factor, not what some small group decides to do despite the popular vote. Do all voters make wise choices ? Not always but either they elect the candidates or they don't !
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I think that we have to do away with the Electoral College, and go by the total vote count.
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