Posted on May 26, 2017
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I just finished watching Netflix's "War Machine" which is based on the career of GEN (r) Stanley McChrystal. I found the movie to be an interesting look into how after 15 years plus years of war, the way we look at war and how those wars are fought.
As Veterans of OEF/OIF/OND, how do you think the movie showed the things we had to go through and deal with?
As Veterans of OEF/OIF/OND, how do you think the movie showed the things we had to go through and deal with?
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Responses: 21
I worked on Gen McChrystal's PR staff for USFORA and ISAF HQ in 2009 before this incident occurred with Rolling Stone. After watching this film, it definitely had a clear agenda, touching on issues we have mulled over for almost 2 decades regarding the complexity of a counterinsurgency in a country that has such a high population of people who do not identify as Afghans and who, when we leave, are still there enduring the chaos that abounds. This film did a good job of getting me to think about our strategy in trying to "liberate" and spread democracy....what's really in the local populations' best interests, not just big businesses best interests? On the other hand, the depiction of the General was mediocre at best - yes, he did have a stringent regimen that kept him on track with handling all the responsibilities placed on a senior officer to lead both US Forces and over 42 other countries (many of which were not allowed to conduct offensive operations). Overall, I'm concerned that someone without the history and context of the geo-political environment in the Middle East may watch this and walk away thinking our General officers are just pawns put in place by our political leaders. I'd say Gen McChrystal had one of the toughest jobs in our current history and under the constraints placed upon him as a commander, he did truly have the Afghan peoples best interests in mind...it's a tough situation.
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SSG Carlos Madden
Thanks so much for sharing your perspective on RP. It's always good to hear it from someone who was actually there.
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SSG Carlos Madden
I sure did. I left my thoughts in a separate response here. I'd love to have McChrystal come on and share his thoughts. He is on RP.
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Capt Sabrena Goldman
Complex situations are hard to depict without the background and in the end it what perception is trying to be depicted... easier to give more flash backs to help with the storytelling.
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
What is wrong with a liberal agenda? Look how liberal the country has become over night because of the virus? Liberal is sanity of sorts. He that fights maybe the one that is wrong...
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1LT William Clardy
And the majority is not always right, PFC Donnie Harold Harris, especially when nobody questions the populist consensus. The Founding Fathers had ample legitimate reasons for wanting to restrain the whims of "the mob".
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
I love your response. When one gets to where the rubber meets the road one realizes there is only one,you around. Except for those that love you. There is us and them. Me first group mentality. Only the strong survive is untrue. The constitution like everything else is outside the individual mind at the every edge of chaos. Only the unplugging will survive.
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I'm O.K. with movies that point out the absurdity of war, especially if they invite a fair and thoughtful response from the audience, but the stated (voiced over) moral to this story was --unsympathetic reporters should be treated as the enemy. And that is too glib by half. So the movie ends up under-serving its military and civilian viewers alike.
The bone that the producers throw the military is to make the heroic lead a sympathetic and honest character, but they do not give him his due. He is depicted as a dispenser of slogans and a shallow intellect, and that's not the whole or the real story. So this isn't a tragedy that evokes the right cathartic response-- either for its military audience or for those it is trying to educate about war. It misses a real opportunity to approach the profundity of our national military efforts rather than opting for a farcical narrative.
War Machine tries hard to shape how society sees its military and its military leaders, but I hope the general viewer will be more thoughtful-- that they will consider that when our nation decides to send the military into harm's way, it also demands that its military leaders put on a brave face and take their best shot, no matter how impossible the mission seems. And we don't deserve to be served up as fun for the myopic and the condescending because we put our country first.
The bone that the producers throw the military is to make the heroic lead a sympathetic and honest character, but they do not give him his due. He is depicted as a dispenser of slogans and a shallow intellect, and that's not the whole or the real story. So this isn't a tragedy that evokes the right cathartic response-- either for its military audience or for those it is trying to educate about war. It misses a real opportunity to approach the profundity of our national military efforts rather than opting for a farcical narrative.
War Machine tries hard to shape how society sees its military and its military leaders, but I hope the general viewer will be more thoughtful-- that they will consider that when our nation decides to send the military into harm's way, it also demands that its military leaders put on a brave face and take their best shot, no matter how impossible the mission seems. And we don't deserve to be served up as fun for the myopic and the condescending because we put our country first.
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PFC Donnie Harold Harris
Glib is one of the most distrustful emotional options on the planet. The first glib person in written history is Adam. It was not the snake that did us in, but Mans's lack of control of a woman. It has always been that way. Glib is good when spotted. Otherwise, Col. It useless rhetoric. War stems from this one encounter of a single man and woman.
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I am just sorry that a General is once again fired by one of the most useless Commander in Chiefs ever. Still wondering how this idiot ever got elected then reelected, but that is a different story.
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SPC David Willis
Same way any idiot gets elected. By winning the election. Can't act like there isn't good cause to be fired though. That rolling stone article would have ended anyone's career.
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Over all, terrible movie. too long for what it is. Could have been A LOT better for the story behind movie. I just really want to know if GEN McCrystal runs like that. They have really good actors in the movie and they just made a dud. There are some interesting points in the movie that make you think but other than that my initial impression wasn't that good.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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LTC Stephen Conway
SSG (Join to see) - all I care is instant profits without attention to detail than the ends of being really stupid and it'll probably end up getting if there is such thing as a military Razzie award.
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LTC Stephen Conway
Capt Sabrena Goldman - correction communicate with John Charlie Oscar Lima Echo. He is a Vietnam veteran over 30 years active duty and his dad was the first Special Forces Battalion commander in 1959. His dad's original 1940 241 harness and football helmet at the Fort Bragg airborne Museum just outside Fort Bragg.
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I intend to watch it, but I'm not sure why it's a comedy. Just changing the main character's name doesn't mean that we all don't know it's supposed to be GEN McCrystal. And from everything I've seen in the previews, the movie is supposed to make him look like a clown, right down to the goofy way that he runs. I realize that McCrystal was hard on the Administration that denied him the resources he said he needed to win, but I'm not sure how that excuses torching his whole career. But I'll reserve final judgment until after I've seen it.
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COL (Join to see)
I just finished it few minutes ago. And you are correct; I am dumber for having watched that. What a collection of distortions, half-truths, and exaggerations designed to advance a political agenda. I'm just glad I didn't pay to watch it.
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They fucked up a lot of historical details, the military tactics were horrendous (3 foot spacing) and for some reason had Marines using army Blackhawks instead of CH53's
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Maj (Join to see)
Well, there have been times when Marines are transported on other joint/coalition air...
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I didn't even know it was a thing, I'll give it a watch soon and weigh in. I've always had a lot of respect for the man, I'd be interested to see a movie take on who he is.
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It was okay. I was at ISAF HQs in 2008. I liked some of the details mentioned, such as the "National Caveats" which limit what each nation's forces can be used for. I'd say it met expectations....but I am glad we didn't spend the $$$ at a movie theater.
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