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Jordan killed two al-Qaeda terrorists in their custody in response to the burning to death of the Jordanian pilot by ISIS.

Do you think this was the right response? Or does this mean Jordan is stooping to the level of ISIS? Granted, they did not burn the prisoners, but they killed them nonetheless. Is this a revenge killing? Is it justified? Or not? What are your thoughts?

http://www.omaha.com/news/world/jordan-executes-two-al-qaida-prisoners-after-is-kills-pilot/article_7728bd38-ac55-11e4-b1da-d70d1a0f24e6.html
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SSG Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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I didn't read into it much but I wonder the cost of the 2 terrorists vs the pilot. A pilot has hours upon hours of costly training compared to 2 foot soldiers. if that's the case, then isis would still be 1 up on them. I do on the other hand agree with the killing of the 2 terrorist.
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SPC Ch 47 Repairer
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Kill em all. They've already been convicted.
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SFC Mark Merino
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If they were already condemned to death.....call it good timing.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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It's not something I can condone the US doing.

It's not Justice, as a concept in the US.

Two wrongs don't make a right as the old saying goes.

When you take a prisoner, you take on an obligation with that prisoner. The US has discovered that first hand. We call them detainees... and they've been sitting in Guantanamo for how long now, because their host nation does want them, we don't want them, and no one else will have them. You can't just kill them without Due Process.

MSG Ramon Hidalgo-Acosta brought up that these prisoners were already on Death Row, and this was merely an acceleration of their sentence. That's fine. But the "Perception" is that this is a revenge killing. And as we all know, perception is reality.

If the US were to do, or even consider doing something like this (revenge killing of Prisoners), I would be screaming bloody murder. We're better than this. We have to set the example. If we want (or more accurately have been forced) to be the World Police, then we need to do it from a position of Morale Authority.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Exactly so MSG Ramon Hidalgo-Acosta these men were accorded Due Process (in Jordan), I'm not implying they weren't. That's why I made sure to mention your post.

However, the uninformed would assume this is a revenge killing. This situation gives the PERCEPTION of a revenge killing. The title of the post is about killing "Prisoners" not "Convicts."

I've mentioned it elsewhere in RP, but words have meaning, and when you talk about Jordan killing prisoners, it has a completely different meaning than Jordan killing convicts.

Were this to happen in the US, the Press Secretary would have to explicitly say "The Execution of the Convicted has not been stayed. Their sentence is being carried out, just as it would had our pilot not been burned alive."
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SGT Steven Montgomery
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I'm with most commenters, a good start but we need to speed up the operation - grease mark in the sand is classic in my opinion!!
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SPC Nicholas Cureton
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Do I think it was right? No, absolutely not. Do I think it was necessary? No, not really. Do I think it was justified? Yes, I'm not a scholar of Jordanian laws. But to my limited understanding these individuals where basically condemned for their crimes already, this just moved the execution date up.
One mistake people have been making is the expectation of civility from these insurgents, that is like getting into a boxing match with a wild bear and then being upset that the bear isn't following the rules. These terrorists are exactly what the name implies Terrace they're not going to follow rules set forth in an organized manner such as the Geneva Convention. They are going to do everything possible to frighten the general population into following what they say. Just like a bully in a playground, you either have somebody else step in and intervene, or you put that person down and you put them down hard. This is my own opinion take it for what it's worth.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Number 1: Jordan is responding the way their society is, not what the western society wants them to be.

2. ISIS only understands this type of dealing. If you stand up, smack them aside the head with a 2x4 then say, "Now that I have your attention", this is the type of response they understand, not mambi pambi pussy footing around like the Western societies want to do.

3. Standing up this way will get faster results than our Great Leader who still refuses to admit it is Islamic Terriorism.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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My opinion is that it was justified. They were convicted by a court of law and sentenced to death, not simply jerked off the streets and murdered.

Will it have any impact on ISIS? Most likely not, as they have certainly shown that human life means nothing to them. In addition, they will simply be regarded as martyrs and may actually add strength to the ISIS "cause".

I do not think that any nation should overreact and just start killing people indiscriminately in retaliation for the ISIS atrocities. That would make that nation no better than ISIS.
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LTC Scott O'Neil
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The US has (hmm had) a policy not to deal with terrorist when it comes to extortion or ransom. I believe this is a good policy. I also believe that Terrorist should loose all rights as citizens or human beings and should be eliminated from this life. Having said that Terrorists are like Hydras you cut off one head and two grow in its place. If these hangings were done as a response to the horrific death of the Jordanian Air Force Pilot , then Jordan may have opened Pandora's Box for their country. If the hanging was done due to their crime and executed early after they were tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Then it was a good show of force and timing.
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ISIS see the US ideals as a weakness. Here in the US, a criminal gets caught after blatantly blowing up a office building killing some people in the process. Because of the nature of the crime, it's declared as an act of terrorism. So the terrorist goes to jail, gets fed, gets health care and representation all on our dime. So now comes the court date and how does one plea? "not guilty". Meanwhile all the evidence clearly shows what happened but we're going to see this dragged through the courts, again on our dime, when we should have just put 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. Booyah!see how that would have been so much easier? A year later the Boston bombing suspect is now just getting to trial, really?

Jordan isn't stooping low to any level of ISIS. For me its an eye for an eye. Jordan can call the killing whatever they want, it's their country, who are we to judge their actions. Maybe other middle eastern countries will see Jordan take a stand and say this is enough of ISIS/ISIL and their BS. Honestly what sheikh wants their wealth torn away from them and live in a life of poverty and submission, not a single one. There been some reports of sheikh's supporting terrorism, then their respective country should swoop in on them and take all their wealth from them and deal with them severely. Let Jordan do it's thing, maybe someone will open their eyes.
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