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What do you think of the black lives matter movement? I think it's ironic that they're chanting that they want dead cops, but somehow they aren't inciting violence and when the shooting starts they all run for cover and expect the cops that they want dead to protect them. BLM is a terrorist organization that incite violence and are a bunch of hypocrites.
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I couldn't disagree more. There are certain people who support the movement that also support the killing of cops, however most of the people involved in the BLM(from my personal experience) just want the equal treatment of Black people in America. BLM is not a terrorist organization. For example, the man who was killed for shooting those officers in Dallas clearly stated that he was NOT a part of BLM and did what he did for his own reasons. But this is just my opinion.
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LTC David Brown - We have children being born because of the failure to use birth control, so the issue is birth control; which we can do something about by better sex education and stop relying on abstinence and religious ideology in reference to sex. Human like having sex and no matter what people think we need to accept that fact and work to ensure that those that have sex us birth control.
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LTC David Brown - Perhaps because whites outnumber blacks by a large percentage. Your numbers aren't valid.
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SGT (Join to see) - I do believe the statistics are normalized for population variations,
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Hmm.
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I think it started as a peaceful organization. But now terrorist are useing it to be violent toward their intended targets.
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I should have read this before I basically re-stated. But agreed completely.
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ALL LIVES MATTER.
PERIOD
END OF STATEMENT
NOTHING you say can trump this. NOT ONE single life is more important than any other life.
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Saying Black Lives Matter doesn't mean White/Asian/(fill in the blank) don't matter, I'm not sure where people thought that BLM means that they're the ONLY lives that matter.
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SGM Charlie Fergurson - can you cite the link for the Washington post article please?
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SFC Alfred Galloway
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SGM Charlie Fergurson - SGM thank you for that, I looked on the Washington post website and found other articles but not the one you cited above, I will re-look now that you have given me a thread to follow.

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SPC(P) (Join to see) -
You'd asked "I'm not sure where people thought that BLM means that they're the ONLY lives that matter."
I'd say it comes from reactions like this when people say or post "All Live Matter" in a public forum:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/9/smith-college-president-apologizes-for-email-sayin/
Or http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7406.
There are dozens of other examples you will find if you do a quick Google search.
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What do you think of the Black Lives Matter movement?
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In two simple words

LIVES MATTER
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Good Answer (As used in the movie Serenity)
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TSgt Frank Shirley - Well, no. Why? Because there are so many meanings out there that I refuse to pick one. I have no qualm with BLM until someone uses the group to promote violence and/or murder.

So tell me what is your take on the meaning of black lives matter. And, do you think that the very name could be interpreted to that black lives matter more than others? Or could blue lives matter be interpreted that blue lives matter more than others?

Again It is simple LIVES MATTER.
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I agree
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Nor can you kill us because we are white.

This BS of killing groups of people whom you do not know and who have done nothing to you needs to stop. And along with it any excuses for that killing because a group is different.

Just go on you way. Ignore the acts of others especially when they have no affect on you.

LIVE MATTER.
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I would have more respect for them if they addressed the true killer of young black men. Other young black men.
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LOL, walk the ghettos and disarm? Have we done that in our neighborhoods? I'm from NY, I've seen Latin Kings and Macheteros kill each other for years, in California, Maras, Zetas, etc, same thing, Miami, 54th Street Boys I can go on and on... I respect your opinion, but tell me exactly how do you, or anyone for that matter go into gang infested hoods and take away their weapons, when the police have been unable to? Let's discuss real solutions, not far fetch fantasies.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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MSG Alberto Rodriguez - here's some real solutions, start handing out life sentences and death penalties to felons. Our Justice system is pathetic and no one fears it. Also prisons need to be a lot harsher, no one fears going to prison anymore. Criminals will either put their guns down or go out in a blaze of glory. Either way the tax payer will appreciate it.
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MSG Alberto Rodriguez - "LOL, walk the ghettos and disarm? Have we done that in our neighborhoods? I'm from NY, I've seen Latin Kings and Macheteros kill each other for years, in California, Maras, Zetas, etc, same thing, Miami, 54th Street Boys I can go on and on... I respect your opinion, but tell me exactly how do you, or anyone for that matter go into gang infested hoods and take away their weapons, when the police have been unable to? Let's discuss real solutions, not far fetch fantasies."

You accept and acknowledge all that as fact (good for you, eyes wide open, thank you) And at the same time fail to acknowledge that is exactly why LEOS have significant numbers of physical altercations, attitudes and interactions with the members of those groups, and the many more that live among them that DO NOTHING to change it from within... You ask the LEO's to police those elements for YOU because according to you it's not realistic for You to do it ..and they then throw up your hands when what you asked to be done results in thug and unfortunately innocents alike hurt, killed in greater numbers than areas that do not require that heavy handed police presence.

Want to stop the disproportionate police interactions with minorities in slums? You go in and and deal with the thugs and the police can go monitor the buisness district for parking violations. You go in and stop black youth from killing black youths at numbers hugely more significant than LEO on Black, LEO on White, LEO on Brown, or for that matter, LEO on ALL..
Blacks kill more blacks in a single 3 month period than LEO's kill in an entire year NATION wide.

All that said.. I DESPISE a discussion where we are labeling my fellow humans, my fellow Americans as a color .. There are Americans killing Americans..the color should not matter. The question should be... Address the most significant threat that results in the most shooting, stabbings, killings and attacks.. and that my friend is not LEO on any demographic. That is An American minority group killing each other in numbers that are an order of magnitude greater then LEO vs American citizen as a whole.
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This is about as loaded a question that was "answered" the minute it was posted. Ok SPC answer these UNloaded questions:
1. Who is the recognized leader of the BLM? No ASSumptions, I want a name(S).
2. Where is their national recognized headquarters? They have to be somewhere
3. Name or post a video of a CONFIRMED member of the BLM advocating for violence.
4. What did they DO and then call the cops on?
5. What definition of terrorist organization are you using. Every agency has their own, so which one?
6. Post where they called the police and directly asked them to "protect" them?
7. The shooting in Dallas....WHO was responsible, and WHO was he affiliated with?
8. How is it that a legislator can tweet a threat to a sitting President and no one bats an eye....any minority tweets harm to a cop or is stupid enough to make a video of it, he gets arrested?
9. In the cases of the cops who were shooting these unarmed individuals, neither were going to or trying to harm the arresting officers. The last one clearly shows the cop scream "gun" while the man was STILL pinned under the car, and was shot to death. So if a cop has me pinned under a car, not one but TWO cops are holding me there, there is NO WAY without either cop releasing me I could even come close to grabbing a weapon, but they yell "gun" my life is over. That's justice for you? That's acceptable to you?
I reckon you get around your buddies and said "another nigga gone thank goodness". "We should've sent their asses back to Africa when we had the chance". "That Beyonce bitch, needs to have her mouth broken for speaking"... up against an injustice that plays ok on one side, and makes you instantly guilty on the other?

I am 74 inches tall. I weigh 320lbs. I can bench and squat my body weight with no problems. I've served my country proudly. How many cops have you come across that told you they will not fight or argue with you, they will shoot you straight up? I've had NO LESS that 15 tell me that. How does that make you feel, knowing that the rules of force will be violated just off size and looks? To be fair to those cops, some of them I knew personally and they explained why they said it, and there were/are no hard feelings between us. They explained why, with facts not arrogant bias, and I talk to a few on the regular. But there have been a few who were dead serious. Is that ok to you?

See this whole post was a chickenshit means of not having a productive conversation about what something is in fact, but a means for you to spew out some BS that was even clarified by the local PD Chief. But maybe as a SPC you know more about investigations and tactics that that cop who's served 30 years on the force.
"Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party, a group that has advocated violence against whites, and Jews in particular". I didn't see BLM mentioned AT ALL in there. Did you? I will list where I got this from so you can read it yourself.
"During the standoff, Mr. Johnson, who was black, told police negotiators that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter,” Chief Brown said....ok Mr. Superinvestigator, if he was in anyway affiliated with BLM what he told the Chief was the exact opposite of what was mentioned by you. Who's wrong? The man talking to the suspect or you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?_r=0
BLM is a terrorist organization? Did they capture or take prisoner anyone in the US? Did they actively engage in ANY governmental coups?
http://fortune.com/2016/07/08/black-lives-matter-speaks-out-against-dallas-shooting/ maybe you can scroll to the part where they said they were AGAINST the shootings.
"Prior to the shooting, the protest on the streets of Dallas was peaceful and controlled. It was led by protesters who spoke out against the police killings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. The deaths of these black men, which happened on consecutive days, catalyzed outrage and prompted protests in cities across the country. However, just because the movement aims to end police violence against black lives does NOT mean it encourages violence against police by black people. Black Lives Matter has never, ever insinuated that other lives don’t. And dismissing the movement’s real agenda ignores the torment and terror protesters faced Thursday night, too"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dont-blame-black-lives-matter-for-the-deaths-of-dallas-cops_us_577f9409e4b01edea78d6514
Chicago police detained more than 7,000 people at secret interrogation center: This was done without giving the arrestees their Miranda rights, access to a lawyer, or the families of those arrested a chance to meet with their loved ones. This would be paramount to kidnapping, denial of due process, illegal detention, but that is only done by BLM and terrorist orgs right?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-cops-detained-7-000-secret-interrogation-center-article-1.2404256
If the "moderate Imams" don't stand up and denounce the practice of terrorism, they are complicit in it although silently, That came off an RP member. Now how many cops are there on the force in the US? Using this analogy, EVERY SINGLE PO would be equal to a terrorist and their goal would be to "rid America of "non Americans" through the use of a badge and gun". Hold up I found a cop who IS currently serving AND spoke out against the injustices some cops can dish, but are unwilling to acknowledge happening
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679042/How-dare-stand-uniform-murder-somebody-Black-female-police-officer-delivers-powerful-impassioned-response-police-shootings.html
A cop violated the trust of the people he was "trusted" to police buy raping them. Do you know what a woman goes through mentally after being raped? The actual deed of raping was the "easy" part, getting her treatment, and to accept she did no wrong for the rest of her life is the HARD part, and some never make it. This cop singled out black women thinking no one would ever believe them over him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN-VLv1NZc

If you want I can keep going with this, to prove that not only did BLM have nothing to do with this, you're just as bad as the people you are condemning. A badge and a weapon does not make your life ANY better than mine, give you the right to hide behind your badge and do harm to me then use catch phrases to get out of trouble. I made my argument with references and quotes. Try answering the first questions, then counter my listed sources. Also if there wasn't a shred of truth to this and it wasn't a "black" thing, look at the makeup of the crowd.....if BLM is that bad, why is it that there are a substantial number of NON-Blacks marching in solidarity?
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SSG Warren Swan - Double Knife Feet? Oh I would be interested to see how that works.........not on me, but one someone else.
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SSG Warren Swan - And I will resume my NCO duties..........tomorrow @ 0700.
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Who funds BLM movement? Simple, George Soros thru thatService Employees Union
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SFC Bill Snyder - Could you elaborate, please?
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Hi,

You seem reasonable and level headed. I hardly voice my opinion on social media but when I do, I take it amongst my fellow brothers and sisters in arm to discuss the elephant in the room. Clearly, some of the problems at hand are about some race issues and a lack of trust by the black community. I wasn't even born into the U.S. I came from Africa as a refugee but I witnessed that distrust first hand. Why is it becoming taboo to discuss our differences? Some argue that because then we must promote unity/similarly (i.e. Equality) but whenever inequalities resurface, then it is taboo to address those inequalities. Even Martin Luther King Jr. would have been viewed a "thug" considering his arrests, mugshots and incarcerations. On another hand, we all know he had followers who split from his nonviolent ideology to violence. That is what I believe (if I'm not mistaken) is what SSG Stephan Pendarvis meant that BLM started out as a peaceful organization. We all have heard the talking points and sound bites of how "All Lives Matter" and the rebuttals and line of reasoning for why insisting on "Black Lives Matter". We as Americans celebrate our individuality just as much as we do our commonality. I already know how much heat I am about to get for posing the next question but pardon me if I feel that something is broken here. Why is it so hard for some white people to understand that black people have been holding on to their dear inalienable rights for far too long?
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I agree that in order for all lives to matter, Black and Blue lives need to matter. If black and blue lives matter, then we need to figure out how we can reduce the level of violence and better integrate police forces into their communities.
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I see what you mean, but King wouldn't have been seen as a thug, even today. Hoover couldn't bring the man down, and he had dirt on everyone. He was articulate, educated, and steadfast in his views, yet wanted inclusion of all, not exclusion based off race. Malcolm X would be the "stereotypical" thug in today's labeling society. He was a criminal, AND he converted to Islam. Two big strikes. Being Black was number three. What many refuse to acknowledge is that X did his pilgrimage to Mecca and saw the opposite of what the NOI was preaching, and after talking to fellow believers of different races, that NOI view was destroyed and he knew coming home, his time was up. He was killed by those who were still part of the NOI, and saw him as a threat to the status quo, and as a traitor. Even today the pics most see of X aren't what he became after enlightenment, but before it. I wonder if he had lived and King lived, where would we be today, and would Farrakhan be anywhere near as "influential" as he thinks he is.
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I agree that we need to be able to sit down and talk about it. Most folks base their opinions on their experiences. Clearly there are folks that believe that the police are out to get them. That is their experience.

However, I don't agree with it, based on my experience. I spent 30+ years in law enforcement before I retired. I treated everyone based on their actions, not the color of their skin, their sex, or who they choose to sleep with. My experience is that crooks come in all colors.

My point is that all of us need to find a way to communicate better, try to understand each others points of view and figure out a way to resolve this.
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Most are anti-brutality, but violence will beget violence.
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BLM is a anti-American leftist gang of thugs funded by Geo. Soros and SCIU. If they weren't paid, their leaders wouldn't be there. Why aren't they protesting the hundreds of black youth (killed by blacks) in Chicago weekly? They make Al Sharpton look like a right-wing Saint.
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BLM as a whole aren't protesting police, they're protesting the few that are corrupt. Posting images like this only separate and divide. Let's actually use our brains and come up with a solution to ALL of Americas issues
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SSG (Join to see) - Statistically, police officers experience more workplace violence and are more likely to die on the job by homicide than most other occupations. It is perfectly valid for police, police organizations, and supporters to see a problem with that and advocate for change to improve the situation.

Statistically, black people are are more likely to experience violent interactions with police and be killed by police than other members of the population. It is perfectly valid for Black people, organizations, and supporters to see a problem with that and advocate for change to improve the situation.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) Nonsense, you have no idea what constitutes a terrorist organization. Get educated. BLM isn't even an organization it's a slogan. Educate yourself before you make such an uniformed post.
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SGM Erik Marquez - If I use your logic then the 1% bad cops are " member acting on behalf of the organization.." you words. I would suggest that if you have the courage, go to one of their protest and see what you learn. I have the bad habit of always getting first hand information, I was good at undercover work in the 90's.
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CPT Pedro Meza - Sir, does BLM have a sub org that investigates and holds members accountable for misdeeds?
Does BLM denounce each of those members that tweet kill cops, white people should die and other hate filled rants?
Does BLM have a program in place to educate thier members why these things are wrong, hurtful to the orginzation?

When they have those things., do those things as the law enforcement comunity does..,
and when BLM no longer organizes and incites riots, when they no longer conduct illagal "protests" that block roads, bridges. When BLM no longer acts and believes thier voice is the only right one to be heard and all others are unworthy.. as they have done on stages, rallies, protests.
When BLM accepts what they have is an opinion and it is as valid as others, but not more important, not better, just thiers.
Then and only then will the BLM orginzation not be held accountable for thier riotous, violent, ignorant members .

Oh and BTW, your assumption is incorrect..my views are not based solely on internet reading.... I may not have your self professed expertise in undercover work (whatever that means) But I am a proficient and trained observer, and have done so in person.
I have personally witnessed all I have supported with linked articles. BLM membership doing the deeds, BLM leaders not stopping it, not denouncing it, but in fact encouraging it.
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SGM Erik Marquez - Erik, your comment " less force great, but anything needed is what would happen." Good Luck, I was around for the Los Angeles Riots in 92 and the LAPD guys that said what you said required help from the US. So go for it.
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SGM Erik Marquez - What I encourage you to do then is go to their website that you posted and engage in dialogue. Undercover work is applicable if you choose to attend their rally, see for your self first hand instead of reading about it.
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It's kind of like Islam. Some are just along for the sense of belonging. Some are in it for what they can get. And some are just looking for an excuse to party. Then there are the few sociopaths who hide in the crowd to cover their crimes
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