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The good news: Officials have the money for the long-awaited reboot of dress whites and dress blues.

The bad news: The money isn't available until 2016.

Money problems and a decision to roll-out new women's jumper-style dress blues in tandem with the men's have delayed the roll-out by a year for service dress blues; service dress whites will be delayed for two years.

Men and women, E-6 and below, will be able to buy the service dress blues at the Navy Exchange in early 2016, said Capt. Janet Bristol, head of the Uniform Matters Office. The uniforms are likely to be issued to recruits beginning Oct. 1, 2016, the start of fiscal year 2017. Funding for the crackerjack whites is earmarked for fiscal 2017.

"We are definitely going forward with it," she said in a recent interview. "We are still formalizing some of our final decisions on the timing and rollout schedule, but the funding is in place, the uniforms will be coming and I think the sailors will enjoy the new features."

The dress blues sport sure-to-be popular updates like a front zipper on the trousers that renders the 13 buttons purely decorative, and a side zipper on the blouse. The dress whites are set for the largest redesign in decades and will have tailored cuffs and piping that matches the blues. But not all changes are being well-received: Many female sailors complain that the "Dixie cup" is easily stained by makeup and doesn't fit hair buns.

Read the full story here: http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/04/20/crackerjacks-sdw-sdb-new-uniforms-navy/21340721/
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PO1 Leading Petty Officer (Lpo)
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Big navy is going to do what big navy is going to do... But seriously, I'm really tired of updating my sea bag with new uniforms that were just fine the way they were. If they would address real uniform issues, that would be different. Ditching the Utilities was fine; I wasn't too keen on looking like a gas station attendant. But the NWU material is too heavy in the summer. Dress whites attract stains like a Dyson. Blues take 10 minutes to take off, and I'm tired of hitting the piping with Shout. The NSU (black/tans) are absolutely atrocious... I'd take the Johnny Cash's back in a heartbeat.

Official request: NO MORE NEW UNIFORMS FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS. AND THEN, ONLY CHANGES TO MAKE WHAT WE HAVE BETTER.
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PO1 Thomas B.
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I liked the Salt & Peppers, too, but anything white did not like us (GMM's) as we always had to put on dog-and-pony shows in port and inevitably got Molybdenum disulfide (used to grease the rails for the missiles) on them and that stuff would not come out of anything...
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CPO David Baldwin
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Oh Molly B! I hate being retired.
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PO2 Johnathan Kerns
PO2 Johnathan Kerns
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Yea I was never fond of the whites in particular. One walk down the Berthing P-way and your uniform is unsat.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Shore Patrol in any Whites - YUCK!
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TSgt David L.
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Really, we have nothing better to do than mess with another uniform?
I'm not sure if this is the intent of the question SPC Allbright. If it is, then I agree that there should be bigger fish to fry. ALL the services seem to think we all need to be able to sneak around in ANY environment with one uniform. How much do we need to spend to blend in on a ship? Haze gray and under way gray would work better than the blue the Navy uses for its uniform. LOL :-)
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MAJ Senior Observer   Controller/Trainer
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These look more traditional; like the Whites my Grandpa wore and was so very proud of.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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In all honesty I do like the redesign but if memory serves me, isn't this just a reboot from the 1930's or 1940's?
I never really cared for the way the Crackerjack uniform fit and those 13 friggin buttons are a pain to deal with but overall it is a unique uniform and when wearing it no one can mistake you for someone in another branch of service.
The money they spend on uniform revisions is just plain stupid. I guess some retire flag officer or O-5/O-6 got a job with the uniform company and will get a huge commission on this uniform.
As with all the uniform changes of the past I doubt any real surveys were taken of real sailors, just those in Washington DC.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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ahhh yes .. the 13 buttons!
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MSG Brad Sand
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My only question, do they still have the dog dish on their head?
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I love that description....

Almost as much as I love the description of the old Air Force covers as "Bus Driver Hats", lol.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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In order to actually use as a dog bowl, you have to wear upside down MSG Brad Sand, WOOF!
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MSG Brad Sand
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LOL. Yes CMDCM Gene Treants I am aware of that.

I was good friends with a sailor in my first recruiting assignment. We were kicking back in his office at the end of the day, and he was so happy that the season had changed...or whatever your magic change date was...and he could wear his whites. Terry was one of those people that expressed what he was saying with his hands...explaining something very important and knocked his chew cup into his lap. First day back in his whites. God, thinking of that look on his face makes me laugh today! I actually tried not to laugh. All I could say, "I guess someone is going to be making another trip to clothing sales?"
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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I used to hate doing Berthing Inspections MSG Brad Sand. Reaching back into a space and knocking over a "chew cup." BUT, at least I was not the dumbass who had to clean it up. That was especially gross if it was one kept in the back of the bunk!
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Me in uniform
Like a few other responders here I have seen a few uniform changes during the years I was in (1966-1996). My real regret was not being issued and being allowed to wear a Flat Hat since I joined after it was phased out. My SDB (Service Dress Blues) were 100% WOOL and OMG they itched and so did the Undress versions. I had to get them lined at my own expense. Whites were just like today's whites, but 100% Cotton. Dungarees - everyone loved them for work, but we could only wear then for dirty work in port or at sea (The Navy was ashamed of that uniform or maybe it was that we worked). Summer or Winter if you wanted to eat after 1600, you wore the Undress or Dress Uniform of the Day.

Admiral Zumwalt had what many thought was a good idea, one uniform from E-1 to O-MG and it lasted for longer than many thought. Supposedly there was a deck plates survey and the response was overwhelming to go back to Crackerjacks. I never met anyone who was involved in the survey though, if you were, please say so. Some great uniforms were in for a short time, Salt and Pepper was one I think should have been retained for ALL HANDS! (Tropical White Shirt and Black pants.)

This version of the SDW (Service Dress White) looks like the negative of the SDB and I think it is Sharpe. It does not have the Blue Cuffs like the Sailors of pre WWI (sand Pebbles), but is very good looking and may be one we keep. SDB with the Zippers, heck of a good idea. My real concern for both uniforms is materials used. Is it Shipboard safe? IS it easy to maintain? Is it durable? Replacement Cost?

Women's Issues: Combination Cap Vs Dixie Cup. Sailor or Stewardess, ladies one is a Sailors hat and the other is not. If you wear the Service Dress Uniform then you need to look like a Sailor. Hats and makeup might take some work, but once you get used to them, it might not be that big an issue. Some comments were made that some of you were afraid that you might look like men. Seriously, if you look like a man in Crackerjacks there is something seriously wrong with your tailor. I am not trying to be a sexist, but ladies there is a difference and this uniform will not HIDE it.

Picture above is me in my "one uniform for all hands." This is as a First Class Petty Officer.
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PO2 Disabled Veteran Outreach Program
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The piping makes them look like the logical counterpart to the dress blues now, I like it.
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I am not a big fan of the piping on the whites, yes it does make them look more like the blues but then again I guess I am just old school and like what we had when I joined. It does match the crow, necktie and longevity stripes better though
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I didn't know they lost them in the first place.
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LTC J. Lee Mudd
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The summer white uniform that's been in use by the Navy (with varying changes in material and style) is what was once "undress whites." The previous white uniform with blue trim was abolished in, I believe, 1941, just prior to the entry of the United States into WWII.  There was also an 'undress blue" uniform that corresponded to the dress blue uniform, but had no white trim.  I believe that was put out of service soon after the end of WWII as the chambray shirt/denim trouser "dungaree" uniform became the standard work uniform for EMs below the rank of CPO throughout the Navy.
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LTC J. Lee Mudd
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Thanks for the clarification, sir!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Just a little more clarification from a Sailor who was there too (1966-1996). I got the One Uniform for all as a Second Class Petty Officer (E-5) and wore it (Double Knit) until I reported to a ship in 1983 as a Senior Chief (E-8) when it was no longer authorized for shipboard use.

Salt and Pepper was the Tropical White Shirt (Short Sleeve) and Black Pants and it was a Dress Uniform, for Liberty in and out CONUS. Since it was SHARP and easy to keep clean it did not last long.

VADM Kevin Green you are absolutely correct Admiral. Undress Blues were the only Uniform for wear after 1600 except Service Dress Blues. We could only wear Dungarees WHEN engaged in real dirty work and if we wanted to eat the evening meal, it was in blues. As an Electronics Technician, unless I was working on a Landing Craft or up a mast after hours, I could never be in dungarees, even for Sweepers.
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PO1 Thomas B.
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VADM Kevin Green , good to see you out here Sir! I remember you from back on the USS Preble when you the Ops Officer. I am still proud to have been a member of that outstanding crew.
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CH (MAJ) William Beaver
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I hate them because I can no longer find a decent prize!
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LOL
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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no kidding!
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CAPT Kevin B.
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I started out wearing the crackerjack. The 13 button pant was frequently a matter of joking how few you had to pop to do your thing. It was a useful uniform because in the day, your personal space was a flat locker under your bunk or a square box on the deck below 3 bunks. You couldn't hang anything. The inside creases on the uniform were there for a reason. Blues were made out of wool and ironing wool gives it an uneven glazed surface. Hence you turned the uniform inside out to press it. Whites looked better that way too. It looks like no inside creases on the new uniform.

One thing the crackerjacks will do is highlight the pudgy sailors. The side zipper will become a shiny streak of shame.

Too little is discussed about the material the uniform is made of. Navy BDUs have a habit of turning orange with sea water. The "Certified Navy Twill" was extremely flammable and uncomfortable. The cotton dungarees were wonderful with the poly whatever jumpers after that a disaster. I was always amazed how out of touch the uniform board is on some of their decisions. I do recall a former member of the uniform board retired and happened to start working for the major company that manufactured the CNT fabric. Another poster child reason for post service employment restrictions.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Right Arm CAPT Kevin B.! You hit so many points on the head dead on Sir!
i am totally in line with after Navy employment restrictions. One reason for making Chief was that shiny Zipper (Kidding - my tailored Liberty Dress Blues still fit like the Day I got them as a Third Class in HK. I couldn't afford to replace them they cost me $40.00 in 1970.)
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
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That was the thing about Blues. They looked best on a thin person like when I only weighed 175 lbs. They looked sharp with the wind blowing your bells out with a pea coat and a dixie cup.
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