Posted on Nov 23, 2015
PO2 Matthew Forney
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What web sites do you use? How do you make best best use of them? Is it better to go with specialty web sites like Airmen Jobs, Classified Careers Or Clearance Jobs? Whats the best way to find the jobs no one else knows about?
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Capt Seid Waddell
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The best advice I ever got was to use networking; most people get jobs through contacts at the hiring company.

Find someone in the industry in which you are interested and ask them if they know anyone that is hiring someone with your skill set - don't ask them for a job, just ask for a reference. You will likely get several leads that way.

Asking for a reference instead of a job allows them to lower their defenses and gets them on your side as an advisor. If they have a job for you they will offer it, otherwise they will give you inside information they have about the industry and who is hiring.

Then call these leads and mention the person's name that referred you to them and again ask if they know anybody that is looking for someone like you. You will either get a job offer or more contacts.

The HR person that told me about this method said that by the time you get to the third layer of contacts you will likely have a job offer. I got a job in less than three levels when I tried this method.

At the same time I went through the library's computer disk of companies with million dollar / year income and sent a lot of cold resumes, tailored to that particular company. You can also search for business information about the company while you are in the library. The more you know about the company the better you will be at tailoring your resume to fit their needs.

You can also get leads at the local unemployment bureau and in the classified ads in your local paper.

Before you start sending out resumes however, it is important to get professional help in writing your resume. Any resumes you send out before you do that will be bridges you will have burned; you will never get a second chance to make a good first impression.

If you go about it right you will find that finding a job takes just as much dedication and effort as performing well in a job; the job hunt IS your job and you will need to apply yourself to it fully.

Good luck and happy hunting!
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PO2 Matthew Forney
PO2 Matthew Forney
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Capt. Seid, This was a well spoken and enlightened response. I own http://www.AirmenJobs.com and http://www.ClassifiedCareers.com. I started this conversation so I could get the word out to veterans about my web sites. Your response is almost word for word the advice I was hoping to pass along to the people who contributed to this conversation. I tell every service member that asks me for advice that the 2 most important things are the effort you put into your resume and finding a job Is Your job. Your advice is sound and comes from a genuine desire to help your fellow vets. Thank you for your service and you advice. If there is ever anything I or my business can do for you please do not hesitate to contact me. Aloha
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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PO2 Matthew Forney, you probably want to distinguish between those site more. I doubt that I'll be the only one to feel disconcerted going to ClassifiedCareers and seeing a page filled with the AirmenJobs logo.
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LTJG Dave Dempsey
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I would make sure you have an up to date and accurate LinkedIn profile to start with. That's where a lot of recruiters hang out and do most their hunting. Next you should start attending professional networking groups associated with the part of the industry you're trying to get into. I'm on the sales side of IT, but I still typically attend events hosted by PMI, IIBA, and HIMSS as a way of getting to know people and to learn more insights into current trends.
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Maj Mike Sciales
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Depends on your skill set and your preferences. USAJOBS.gov is a great source to start.
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Maj Mike Sciales
Maj Mike Sciales
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What does your military skill convert to in civilian application? That will help focus suggestions.
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PO2 John Crutchfield
PO2 John Crutchfield
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I never had any luck with USAJOBS. I applied for 20+ IT 2210 positions that I was more than qualified for, but never once was contacted. Spent $1000 in 2009 with a recruiter who re-wrote resumes, cover letters and helped with the application process. Aside from a "we got your application" email. Never heard back from any agency.
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PO2 Matthew Forney
PO2 Matthew Forney
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Check out http://www.ClassifiedCareers.com John, it might be a good resource for you.
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CPT Jacob Swartout
CPT Jacob Swartout
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Maj Mike Sciales I have been periodically researching USAJOBS.gov for quite some time myself. Always curious to know what is available in the job market.
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What is the best job search technique? Job Websites? Company websites? Head Hunters? How do you make these services work for you?
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I agree with a lot of the answers already posted - networking, updated LinkedIn page, a solid resume. Persistence is key. Make yourself easy to find by including relevant skills and keywords on your resume. Have your resume posted on CareerBuilder/Monster/etc. so that recruiters can find you. Follow up on applications and ask for the best person to contact going forward, what timeline you can expect to hear back - keep in mind there's a fine line between being proactive and being irritating. The last thing I would suggest is find what makes you stand out/unique and state it clearly, whether on the phone, profile, or resume. Something managers/recruiters will remember so even if this isn't the right opportunity, they will think of you later. If I can be of any assistance when gearing up for your job search, please do not hesitate to reach out!
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PO3 John Priest
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It's all about the care and feeding of your network, socially and professionally. Always have a good solid LinkedIn profile and don't forget to meet, follow and keep up with people in your network. Towards the end of your enlistment or commission, reach out to the local Veterans Service organizations and County Job Centers. These people can be a very important part of your network as well. Retirees, don't overlook the local Senior agencies in your area. As a 50 yr old, I qualified for assistance with job searches through the local agency.

Again, it's all about your network and how you make it grow. Much like the network you had in the military, the more contacts you have, the more you can get things done.
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SFC Steven Wheeler
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PO2 Matthew Forney, It is all about networking. Check out the meetup website for groups in your area for the fields you are interested. In the IT field here in Jacksonville, FL there are over 30 different meetup groups dedicated to IT (Server, security, SQL Server, all development languages you can think of, and even a bit coin mining group). The SQL server meetup group I am a member of (about 30 to 50 people attend each month), the beginning of each meeting two questions are always asked. Who is looking for a job and who is hiring. Also tech recruiters attend and even sponsor the meetup by covering food.
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PO2 Matthew Forney
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How do you approach applying for jobs. Do you just put out a blanket resume or do you tailor each one for each job you find?
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PO2 John Crutchfield
PO2 John Crutchfield
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I always tailor my resume for the job. I currently have four running resumes. All are similar, but have a different focus (IT Manager, SysAdmin, Customer Support, and blanket). I also tailor the cover letter for each position. Some of the most friendly companies are those involved as defense contractors. SAIC, Leidos, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, & Northrup Grumman are some of the big defense contractor companies. There are also thousands of 8A companies. It really depends where you are located (near a military installation or govt entity).
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PO2 Matthew Forney
PO2 Matthew Forney
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Thank you for taking the time to respond John. I appreciate your advice. If you are looking for more companies to apply to I have had a lot of luck with these guys. http://www.AirmenJobs.com, http://www.ShooterJobs.com, http://www.MosJobs.com, or http://www.ClassifiedCareers.com
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PO2 John Crutchfield
PO2 John Crutchfield
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Thanks Matt. My time in IT (21 years total) is coming to an end next spring. Starting a Durable Medical Equipment company and leaving IT behind.
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