Posted on Mar 21, 2014
COL Strategic Plans Chief
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One of the biggest challenges for a brand new 2LT is his first counseling session with a SFC who has been in the Army from 8-14 years. While the blanket list of duties that I used in 1995 is pretty straight forward, I don't think it's conducive to building the team necessary to effectively lead a platoon from the get-go. What have you seen that works best?
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SFC Senior Drill Sergeant
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That counseling session should be very collaborative while setting clear expectations
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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I can't be the only one that noticed...
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SPC Sean Barney
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I'm lost.
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I had a great PL who made sure that I was counseled. The first one he was pretty timid and I don't blame him. However, we sat and talked about my strengths, my weaknesses, where the platoon was, where WE wanted the platoon to go, how we were going to get there, and I showed him how to fill out the support form. From there he documented the key points of our discussion and I was more than happy to sign it. I made a point to tell him that he was the one in charge and I would support him on his decisions unless they made absolutely no sense at all. I was there for him when he failed and he was there for me for when I f&@*ed up. It is a love hate relationship but a PL must counsel his PSG!!
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It's the discussion that matters! I'd say that the platoon sergeant has the majority role in the counseling...because I didn't know what I was doing as a platoon leader...I was made into a platoon leader by a great couple of SFC's and other NCO's.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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The PL, first of all is in Charge! Each position has a job description, lay out the job description and what you expect of the PS. At the same time of counseling, ask the PS what are the strengths and weaknesses of the Platoon. What SLs are the best, strongest and who's the screw ups. Get the PS input platoon SOPs, who's going to school, where people stand on promotions. Let the PS know you really care about the soldiers and how he is doing his job. Let the PS know he is part of the leadership team, and don't be afraid to ask his advice. Don't come off too much of "I know what I'm doing", but also seek out his/her professional opinion as PL, you're just coming in.
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Sir, the 2LT should ask politely for an appointment with the SFC. If approved- the 2LT (while at parade rest) should ask the SFC for help filling out the form.
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LOLOL. Nice. That's a "technique."
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SGT Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Thank you, sir. I had a suspicion an officer would get a chuckle.
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COL Charles Williams
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Funny... Unfortunately... that is not a good solution.
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Sir,

In my honest opinion, what I've seen from prior 1SGs, and something that I now do as a 1SG is to take the time to talk to that new LT right away and let them know that I have an open door to discuss any issues that he or she has, and to be willing to coach, train and mentor that LT. I always talk to them right away and tell them that they're the boss, they run that platoon and there should never be any doubt of that from himself or herself, but their PSGs and other NCOs do have experience that they can learn from and that they should be willing to talk to and listen to them, but be firm when it comes to making a decision. I also talk to their PSG as the LT is coming in and let them know that they have the responsibility to load up that LTs tool bag and develop him into a leader that other enlisted Soldiers want to follow. In my opinion, the 1SG should be the person to help that LT integrate into the platoon by being an open source of advice for that LT so that he or she has a knowledgeable source to tap into from someone that isn't in their direct chain up or down. The 1SG and also the commander should be working together to mentor their LTs and NCOs. I always personally help them with their counselings and completing the NCOERs.
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1SG(P) (Join to see), you are right on the money! The 1SG plays a HUGE role in the proper building of that PLT team. That's exatly what I expect from my 1SG's. They've done it before...multiple times. They have seen the good, the bad, and the fugly. A good 1SG is worth his weight in gold when it comes to counseling and building the future leaders of the Army.
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CPT Benjamin Wenner
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Sir,

Here's my recent experience (though I'm not a brand new 2LT).

I just counseled my Maintenance Control Sergeant (E7) and, although an expert and borderline stubborn leader (Type A personality), he has educated me to do a proper counseling for him. My advice to newer LTs stepping into a PL position (no matter what platoon they're in): do your NCO justice and make sure you give the proper time and effort to fill in his/her DA 2166-8-1. Apparently, any other format is not standard (MFR, word document, etc. - I'm sure we've all seen one).

- Ask that E7 if he has a copy of his previous NCOER (it's even better when it's the same position they're holding now - cross your fingers) and that can be your handrail for accuracy. Asking for input won't hurt, either.
- Know that E7's MTOE position and dig up that list of duties and responsibilities in which ever publication it's in (i.e. DA PAM 750-3 "Soldier's Guide for Field Maintenance Operations"). I even utilized ADP 6-22 "Army Leadership".
- Do your own research. There are plenty of examples on digits, paper, etc. As a leader, you have to learn to resource and network (Don't reinvent the wheel... I know. We hear it all the time). If you have a Tech (Warrant Officer), ask him/her for advice - they normally know a thing or two about NCOs to their left and right within a platoon and what they should be doing.
- Tailor in your expectations, zero tolerances, additional guidance, etc. (and be sure to add that they support and enforce the EO/EEO and SHARP programs bullet)
- Lastly, don't get aggravated if your E7 would like to recommend adjustments or suggestions. It's better to cover more, than not enough at all (as long as it corresponds to their duty position). If anything, you can change, specify, quantify, or qualify progress throughout the quarterly counselings.

That E7 is ensuring his/her career progression is square on the admin side of the house - so his/her career is in your hands. Don't let them down!
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Great advice for a young leader coming in, LT. I will admit that the last time I did counseling on a DA or DD form was when I was a LT, because I didn't know any other way. What I found was they were too limiting and that I couldn't get my intent across because I didn't have room to explain myself. The form is all about bullets and goals to meet those, which is fine if that structure is necessary to drive your thoughts, but I don't think that way. Since I was a CPT, I have used an MFR. I start typing and wherever I go is where I end up. Sometimes it's not about WHAT someone does, but HOW and WHY they do it, which is more important to me at this stage. I advise everyone to use the form like I do. I write, "See attached memo." all over the document. You have to use what works for you. I am sure you have reached a point where you had more to say, but ran out of room. Then you either go to an awkward continuation sheet or you just go...'That's good enough."
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TSgt Ryan Chrzanowski
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From my experience being on the receiving side, and having to council lower ranking Airmen that reported to me. A) It all depends on what the counseling session is about, B) Go into the counseling session with the mindset of approaching it how you want the remander of your working relationship to go, C) Finally ask yourself how you'd want to be approached especially by someone new in a position that may have a lot more experience than you do. Hope that belps
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That's the way every counseling session should be approached, TSgt Ryan Chrzanowski
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1SG Dave Arpin speaks to his experiences, which took place in the Army Reserve. I had the benefit of working with Dave as an SMP Cadet while he was still a Platoon Sergeant, and he gracefully permitted me to take charge and lead our platoon as an Officer from day 1. The USAR is a unique creature however. Until they are promoted out of the position, Platoon Sergeants can stay in the same duty positions for many years, whereas an Officer typically only stays for 2-4 years before moving on. Granted, in contrast to Active Duty, this too seems like a long tenure, but when you're MPs in the only MP Company for 300 miles around, you're granted some latitude.

As you may imagine, this set-up can create the perfect storm that is at the heart of your topic here. Just prior to commissioning, I was informed that I would move from SFC Arpin's platoon to another platoon. Although the Platoon Sergeant was a good friend of SFC Arpin's and the relationship between the two platoons was very close, this particular NCO never hid the fact that he held little respect for Commissioned Officers in general and Lieutenants in particular. I took this news in stride. He took this news with umbrage. I chose to let him chill out, let the First Sergeant lay it down for him, and went about my business. After a few hours, I went and talked with him, one on one, where he calmly proceeded to explain how he had been burned in the past by a bad Platoon Leader. He made it clear that this was "His Platoon." After hearing him out, I told him that come next month, I wanted to work with him on making it "Our Platoon." I left it at that.

I stayed in touch with him between Drills, giving him a couple of phone calls just to discuss ideas. He was surprised by that, and quite pleased. I gave him the heads up that I had to do initial counseling for him and the Squad Leaders. He initially raised his defensive shields, saying that counseling the Squad Leaders was NCO business, but when I explained that I should rated the Squad Leaders because they rolled with me on missions, he said you're the first officer I've ever had who has ever cut my workload! From that point forward, our relationship grew stronger. Sure, we still had our disagreements as any command team will, but we were always able to resolve them.

Bottom line, it's all in how you approach the situation at the initial contact that will set the table for everything in the future. Plan accordingly!
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A much different situation, but akin to what is common in the active component. A challenge that you seemed to have met in the best way possible. Everyone has to survey the situation before taking action.
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SFC Wendell Pruitt
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This (Army Reserve thread) Very much falls in line with My Active Duty Service as a Pershing Missile Crewmember, We did not have the typical officer structure because of our primary mission and the associated equipment. Our Platoon Leaders were Captains who most times had already Commanded a Conventional Artillery unit, Our Battery Commanders were Majors so our dynamic was quite different, 2nd Lt's and 1st Lt's were under the Platoon Leader in an assistance type role without any administrative responsibilities such as counseling.... Thus I was never counseled by a Lt at any point.... However I did encounter several Captains who had already Commanded a conventional unit who felt they had taken a step in reverse and were somewhat angry at this fact and very forgetful of how they had managed their 1sg while in Command and what their results were by doing so. I was fortunate enough to have progressed through a series of Positions that included Operations Sgt, Procedures and Maintenance Instructor (G3) on a 2 Star's Staff, before I became a Section Sgt and Finally Platoons Sgt. This made my first counseling as a Platoon Sgt very interesting, The Captain who was brand new to the Command and Pershing, Sat me down and proceeded to tell me She did not trust NCO's of my Rank (SSG) because she had been shafted while Commanding a Training unit stateside. Because I had several GREAT 1sg's as I was coming up the ranks, I simply maintained my decorum and professionalism, I welcomed Her to the Platoon and offered no resistance to her misguided view of both Me and our assigned mission that I knew she did not fully understand. Over the next 10 months I got to observe the following, The Battery Commander ordering Her to his office for a closed door meeting. The Battalion Commander telling her to stop talking and do more listening. The 1sg telling her that they needed to go speak with the Battery Commander behind closed doors. and last but not least the Battalion Command Sgt Maj advising Her that Her platoon should be Her focus and his Work Detail was not in need of Her to comment or Overseeing what was going on because He had 2 NCO's and a Lt that were responsible and already there onsite. When She wrote my NCO-ER the Battery Commander made Her redo it 3 times and each time it destroyed her, In spite of Her antics, I had guided the Platoon to multiple successes, We were Ranked #1 platoon in the Command (36 Platoons) based on the results of unannounced Mission Readiness inspections on the Missile Site, We were at #2 for Battalion Reenlistment goals and had lowest UCMJ actions in the Battalion, We were selected to do follow on Test firings at Cape Canaveral by USAREUR. In each of those instances the people looking in said Myself and my 1st Lt were doing a great job in spite of her distractions and lack of focus.... My bottom line is actually quite simple, after enduring this Captain, I was selected for E7 the first time I was considered, I was also later selected to be a Service School Instructor and following that Drill Sgt as well, For Personal reasons I left active duty for the National Guard at 14 years and completed 21 total.... She was passed over for Major once and left the Army shortly after that.
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SSG Leonard Johnson
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Stand at parade rest when u talking to platoon daddy....hahahahah....just joking Sir...Please forgive me
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