Posted on Aug 16, 2017
What is the most appropriate way to address someone being given a false PT score, while minimizing the damage to their career?
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Apologies for my terrible English. Here is the question broken down and explained in what I hope is in better terms.
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
The situation is that a soldier was given a false pt score by a previous NCO for whatever reasons that he had. The soldier has now changed duty stations and was promoted to Sgt rank. She has not been pinned yet but took a diagnostic pt test and failed the pt test. Now the question is being raised about her really having a 300 pt score and she is scared and has been scared to say anything about the changing of her records. My question is what can she do as for this to not effect her career in a negative way? Especially in light of her not declining the promotion. I do understand that myself knowing what is going on and not saying anything can put me in the same boat as her. I know the wrong answer is to not say anything but what's the best way to go about doing something if anything to minimize the amount of damage done to her or multiple people's careers?
Edited 8 y ago
Posted 8 y ago
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Do any of these soldiers realize “Falsification of a Government Document” is a Federal Offense punishable via UCMJ and possible Federal indictments. As a veteran who was responsible for publishing Promotion Orders for Enlisted Personnel; there is documentation regarding the PT score. I strongly suggest the soldier in question come clean now before this turns into an avalanche. I suggest retaking the PT test and recalculate the promotion points using the new score. If the REAL score doesn’t meet the ‘cut-off scores, then no promotion. I would also recommend an Article 15 for ‘conduct unbecoming’. This seems to me to be the best way to resolve the issue with the least amount of damage to ANYONE’S career. This falsification WILL be discovered if this soldier plans to stay in the Army. Better to come clean now as an E-4, than being court marshaled at a higher rank.
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Integrity in the APFT is as important as integrity in everything we as Army soldiers do as we live and uphold the seven Army values. As a chaplain, I have always felt it extremely important to be fit and score high on the APFT, because any lack of physical readiness endangers far more than myself (as a non-combatant), and as an officer in his early 50's, I also feel a great responsibility to exemplify physical readiness. I haven't scored below 270 in a long time--because I am committed to working hard at remaining fit. In fact, I am very much looking forward to the ACFT because it eliminates the age and gender allowances. "I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself." The thought that there is any soldier serving who had to falsify records (or was complicit in the act) to pass or score high on the APFT, especially to be promoted in the NCO Corps, goes against everything we stand for.
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CPL Santos, the issue here is integrity. She has lost hers. Do not lose yours.
She would have to have known about the bogus score - she could have said something to the company first sergeant after the test, when she turned in her packet for promotion, at the annual review of her packet. There is nothing here to suggest her actions were self-serving and dishonest. Worse, her actions caused a more deserving soldier to miss out on a promotion they deserved. Do not follow her, keep your integrity and speak up.
She would have to have known about the bogus score - she could have said something to the company first sergeant after the test, when she turned in her packet for promotion, at the annual review of her packet. There is nothing here to suggest her actions were self-serving and dishonest. Worse, her actions caused a more deserving soldier to miss out on a promotion they deserved. Do not follow her, keep your integrity and speak up.
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I guess the real question is, how can you spend enough time in the military to gain NCO rank and still fail a PT test? I never understood how people could fail those things. Its not an Olympic tryout.
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Not having to deal with PT tests (small ships usually do the PT test at the same time), I would give the person a fixed time to pass the test with AT LEAST that score she 'earned' before. I would counsel that service member that immediately after failing that test the second time I would walk them up the chain of command and charge them with PERJURY (lying on am official document(s)).
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A diagnostic after PCS'ing to a new unit? Sounds like this Soldier didn't do PT while on leave.
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Things must've greatly changed since I retired. When a diagnostic APFT was given, unless you stated you wanted it that you wanted it to be a RECORD APFT before you started then regardless of what you scored, it remained just that...a diagnostic and could NOT be used for points. So according to your initial statement her S1 file should've caught that when they audited her file for points and she never shouldve been promoted when the cutoff scores came out.
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I mean... I personally went form a 297 to a fail in less than 6 months. It is very possible.
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It’s a situation that has gone on for decades. I’ve seen pencil pushing SFC that had three chins that somehow passed the tape test every time.
Let’s not forget the pen hole expert marksman. At the paper (not pop up targets) weapons range.
Let’s not forget the pen hole expert marksman. At the paper (not pop up targets) weapons range.
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I had a similar incident, while being the unit APFT nco, an 06 asked me to sign off a pt score, that I knew to be impossible so this sm could attend bnoc and get promoted, I refused explaining why, so the 06 signed it, then complained to the CO, long story short the nco failed Pt at bnoc and I got relieved and nothing happened to the sm or 06
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