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As an E-4 in the Army, how would I go about addressing an E-7 in the Marine Corps or another branch? They call them Sir, do we as well?

Reason I asked I'm watching recruits from the USMC boot camp calling NCO's Sir/Ma'am, and for the Army we would call the cadre by their rank... But it was clarified below
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SFC David Pope, MBA
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Address him as Gunnery Sgt! If he was Air Force then it would be Master Sgt or First Sgt, depending on the position. If they are Navy, then Chief or Chief Petty Officer. I worked JTF many times in my career, and I highly recommend studying the rank structure and insignias of the other branches. The first time I addressed a Navy Commander properly based on his sleeve stripes, my life went from Hell to Heaven, especially when I found out he was going to be my new boss. Some will call it kiss ass, I call it cover ass!
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Haha. Good advice
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SSgt Crew Chief
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First Sgt is a duty not a rank in the Air Force.
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SFC David Pope, MBA
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First Sgt duty is usually an E-7 thru E-9 in the Air Force. I have addressed an Air Force E-7 as both while in a JTF role.
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CYA always!
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CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter
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I liked to be call by my first name"chief"
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LCpl Stephen Arnold
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Aye, Aye Chief.
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SrA Aircraft Structural Maintenance
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Hooyah Chief!
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CPO Clifford Henry
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Yep! Earned them anchors!
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Sgt Paul Mason
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In basic training (boot camp) everyone is "sir" or "ma'am". After that, the only time you'd address an E-7 (Gunnery Sergeant) as "Sir" is if he is holding a command position that is normally held by an officer....however, being raised by a Marine, if someone who out-ranks me is yelling at me, it's "Sir" or "Ma'am" no matter their rank ;-) Usually we'd address him as "Gunny".
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SSG Elmer Boutin
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If you know, then call them in the form that would be courteous to them - as many have illustrated here.

I did have one incident where I was outproccessing from a school at Ft. Huachuca and the mail room was in the Marine barracks. I addressed the Staff Sergeant at the front desk as "Sergeant," as we would in the Army. The PFC that was on duty with him started to dress me down for not addressing him properly. The Staff Sergeant "very strongly" corrected the PFC for being disrespectful to an NCO from another service who obviously didn't know better.
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CMSgt Gary Fichman
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Quick story, I was an AF Independent Duty Medic assigned to a Aid Station that took care of US folks at a NATO base-anyway an Army Sgt Major showed up for my sick call with something in his eye, said it hurt like hell. I said "no problem sir, I'll fix you right up" -anyway after getting the worst ass chewing of my life (I was a Air Force MSgt) I took care of his eye & never called any enlisted Army folks sir. Oh yeah, his boss a Major called to apologize, I told him it was my fault.
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Kenneth Danley
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QUESTION CHIIEF MASTER SERGEANT THERE ARE TWO IN EVERY RANK FROM E7 TO E9 WHY IS THAT
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MSgt Jim Flanagan
MSgt Jim Flanagan
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That's because people in those ranks can serve as First Sergeants, which have a diamond within the blue field on the senior NCO chevrons. Both types are shown in rank charts.
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Cpl George Crab
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With fear and trembling?
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SPC David McPherson
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You are right Cpl. Crab! Anytime I had to address ANYONE from a different branch I did so with the fear of getting it wrong. Actually, I don't think I ever actually got it right! However, since I only dealt with other branches while I was in school, I was corrected in a mild but stern way, and I never made the same mistake with that rank again!
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MSgt Gerald Orvis
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I'm a retired Marine who retired at the grade of MSGT. In the Corps, recruits have customarily addressed anything above whaleshit at the bottom of the sea as "Sir" or "Ma'am." After they put on the EGA, they address all officers as "Sir/Ma'am" and other enlisted Marines (especially NCO's/SNCO's) by their correct rank title. As mentioned elsewhere, Gunnery Sergeants and Master Gunnery Sergeants can be addressed by less formal titles (Gunny/Master Gunny) if they allow it. Staff Sergeants are always addressed as "Staff Sergeant" and never as "Staff" or "Sergeant." Master Sergeants can be addressed as "Top" when they allow it. NEVER address a First Sergeant or Sergeant Major by anything but their full title. We used to address our Sergeant Major as "Sir" out of respect. Sometimes it was appropriate to address an NCO/SNCO in formal settings as "Sir/Ma'am," such as when they were acting as Officer of the Day while on guard duty, or in a parade setting ("Take your post, Sir.") . When I was Sergeant of the Guard at Marine Barracks, my sentries would address me as "Sir," which was acceptable as a formal way of showing respect. It used to be customary to address junior company officers and warrant officers as "Mister" (if working in frequent/close proximity). That seems to have passed away, however. It used to be that Marine warrant officers/chief warrant officers would be addressed as "Gunner," despite not being Marine Gunners. Now that the rank of Marine Gunner has been revived, that seems to be going away. We customarily referred to USMC captains in command as "Skipper" (although not generally to his/her face, or in formal settings). Lieutenant Colonels can informally be addressed as "Colonel," and general officers as "General" (no matter how many stars). As to the other branches, I'm most familiar with the Navy, so I generally call non-rates by their last name, petty officers as "Petty Officer" and chiefs by their proper full title. Lieutenant Commanders can be called "Commander" and LTJG's are "Lieutenants."
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LCpl Stephen Arnold
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MSGT this probably isn't the forum but, I'm out so screw it. While embarked on a naval vessel during Desert Storm, we had a two second lieutenants, one a PAO from Brigham Young University, the other a "Ring knocker" from Annapolis (who had a severe Napoleonic complex.)

We learned, early on, that the ring knocker was sensitive to being called "Lieutenant' and would demand that we call him "Sir.' It was immature of us, but we would fuck with him and always call him "LT" just to piss him off. Our officers were pretty chill so we'd call them by their rank, which actually made for a pretty cool atmosphere (we'd still do it at parade rest, report accordingly, etc.)

One day we were in liberty port in Haifa, Israel at the USO, and drunker than shit. The "LT's" walked up, and Napoleon asked us what we were drinking. When he got to me I said, "I'll take a Budweiser, Sir". Taken back, he said, "LCPL Arnold, that's the first time you've ever called me 'Sir'", to which I replied, "Well, Fuckin A, Lieutenant, it's the first time you ever offered me a beer." We all had a good laugh, and the LT actually became a pretty cool guy. He had a promotion ceremony to first lieutenant, and we celebrated by picking him up like we were going to throw him overboard, which cracked up our BDE Commander.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Master Sgts we’re Top, I’d dare anyone call our 1st anything but, he wouldn’t complain or reprimand, he’d close the door and drill you right in the mouth. Dude was a first rate hardass, but a straight up Marine, more salad than any man I’ve seen up close and personal. No doubt earned in Nam.
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Sgt Charles Welling
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Marines do NOT address NCOs or Staff NCOs as sir, who told you that nonsense? A Corporal is addressed as Corporal, all other Sgt levels are addressed as Sgt except a First Sgt or a Sgt Maj and they are addressed as just that. An E-7 may be addressed as Gunny by tradition. At least that was the case when I was on active duty pre-Obama, hell, who knows what may be the case now.
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LCpl Richard Barnhart
LCpl Richard Barnhart
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All Marine Recruits refer to everyone as "Sir & Ma'am".
Only AFTER earning the title of MARINES, do they refer to military personnel by their rank.
Amy NEVER do you call an E-6 or higher, 'Sarge' E6 is Staff Sargeant, etc. Gunney, Master, 1st, & Sgt Maj.
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Sgt Michael Betts
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When I went through Parris Island (over 50 years ago) ANYBODY who wasn't another recruit was addressed as "Sir". That included even another slick-sleeve who had "earned the title". Once you graduated the "Sir" was reserved for officers/warrant officers. BTW, WO's were addressed as "Mister" unless they were WO-4's and had the bursting bomb on their collar, in which case they were addressed as "Gunner".
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Sgt Richard Sprague
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Sgt Charles Welling, if you would of paid attention to detail you would of realized he stated He was watching recruits from the USMC boot camp calling NCO's Sir/Ma'am. He was just wonder if Marines always addressed NCO's Sir/Ma'am, because in the Army they call their NCO's in boot camp Drill Sergeants not Sir/Ma'am.
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LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr.
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Third Generation Marine here. 1983-85
Son of a retired GunnerySergeant,1950-1976
Grandson of a retired Sergeant of Marines 1914-1937
From Woodrow Wilson through Ronald Reagan
Marines of ALL ranks have been addressed as Private Schmuckateli to Sergeant Major Murphy you address that Marine by the rank he or she has EARNED!!! You may hear a lower rank called by last name only by a higher rank in an informal setting, but in a formal setting it’s “Full Rank and Last Name!”
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SN Greg Wright
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E-4 - E-6, 'Petty Officer'
E7 - 'Chief'
E8 - 'Senior Chief' or 'Senior'
E9 - 'Master Chief'. That's it. Just 'Master Chief.' Do NOT EVER call one 'Master', even though you can call E8's 'Senior'.
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PO1 Watch Officer
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CWO3 Gene A. - The Senior's on my boat don't mind a bit when it's an informal address. I.E. Passing in a P-way or something, Infront of the division/officer of dept head or better, of course it's Senior Cheif.
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LTJG Jftoc Watch Officer
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You can say "Senior Chief," but for the most part it's just "Senior". Don't let anyone tell you differently. Unless a specific Senior Chief tells you to call him or her "Senior Chief", just use "Senior". I assure you, no one will get on your case. Working at NCTAMS I have seen 30-40 E7 and above come and go, and at one point there was a Senior Chief for each division. They all went by "Senior".
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MCPO Top Snipe
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As an active duty Senior Chief, I have no issue with anyone calling me Senior or Senior Chief on a day-to-day basis. In a formal setting (i.e. DRB, SOQ/SOY Board, etc...), I'll only accept Senior Chief.
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With in my unit my senior chief preferred "Senior". It's still respectful however the slightly less informal name helps unit morale and make us feel more like a team. It's always senior chief in a formal setting however. Sometimes tradition and "regs" actually hurt morale and I dont see how having a stick up ones ass at all times helps anyone. One can be professional and hardworking while being slightly relaxed.
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SFC Motor Transport Operator
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Gunnery SGT for E7 and you better say it LOL
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GySgt Ken Norwood
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In 1984 a young Army Captain was at my unit. He called me Sergeant. I gave him a quckt class. He later called Sergeant again & I reminded him of the class. The 3rd time I said "What would the 2nd Lieutenant like." Thereafter he only refered to me as Gunny.
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awesome lol
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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Strong work, Gunny!
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Sgt Charles Welling
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Not so, our shop Gunnery Sergeant was addressed as Sgt Frost unless he gave you permission to call him Gunny. The boss, MSgt Williams was addressed as Sgt Williams and he called GySgt Frost just as Frost.
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SCPO Frank Carson
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The Air Force folks always used to call me sir, I told them "you can call me Senior Chief..." They said "Ok Sir..." I was like WTF, but you know it is still a sign of respect... Chief, Senior Chief, Master Chief! 789!
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SrA Aircraft Structural Maintenance
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Sorry to say, but I think I did that to a Coast Guard Petty Officer once. I think I corrected myself, but I was still trying to learn Navy/CG ranks.
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SGT Larry Holland
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When in doubt, ask. When I met an E-6 from the Marines, I asked him what is his rank called & explain their enlisted ranks structure.
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CPT Gordon Berkstresser
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That has been my experience. When I ask, NCOs are HAPPY to instruct. There is nothing better than asking someone who knows something to convey knowledge.
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CPT Gordon Berkstresser
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Oh, and I went through OCS - same experience enlisted and officer...most NCOs are consummate professionals who love to teach those willing to learn.
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Cpl Richard Slusher
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They were recruits. They are not Marines yet. They have not earned the privilege of calling enlisted personnel by their rank.
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LCpl Stephen Arnold
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"You're not even human FUCKING beings!" Gunny Ermey
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LTJG Jftoc Watch Officer
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Don't ever call anyone in the Navy "Sir" unless they are an Officer. Had an airman keep calling me "Sir" - drove me up the wall. I kept correcting him, and I swear, he kept doing it just to irritate me. Anyway, if you see chevrons in the Navy it is "Petty Officer" - if you see a Gold Anchor, it is "Chief".
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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My favorite comment I ever heard was at a station a kid right out of boot camp called the ETC sir. The chief looked at him for a second, and said, I work for a living son, don't call me sir, call me Chief. Yea it's kinda standard, but it still tickles me when I think of it 40 years later.
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MSgt Security Forces
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Probably couldn't read the name on your ass! Ha ha
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Maj Marty Hogan
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LTJG (Join to see) Go easy- I lived in the South for several years and started to adhering to call everyone sir or ma'am as a respect thing. Being prior enlisted it is even harder for me- but I will go with if I knew it irritated you defense... you know my sarcastic sense of humor anyway. Thanks for sharing
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AA Kurt Arnold
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Dress uniforms chiefs have chevrons and a top rocker one star senior two stars master chief, been out thirty years and remember that
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CMSgt Tim Garland
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Here's what I found from my research and experience working in the joint world:
US Army
E-1 Address as “Private (last name)."
E-2 Address as “Private First Class (last name)."
E-3 Address as "Private (last name)."
E-4 Address as "Specialist (last name)."
E-5 thru E8 (non-First Sergeant) sergeants, staff sergeants, sergeants first class, and master sergeants: Address as "Sergeant (last name)."
E-8 First Sergeant (has diamond between upper and lower chevrons) Address first sergeants as "First Sergeant (last name)."
E-9 Address sergeants major as "Sergeant Major (last name)."

USMC
IAW GMK 1010…Speaking to enlisted Marines. Address them by rank and last name; avoid casual use of first name or nicknames. Senior enlisted Marines should also be addressed by their full rank and last name. Always refer to a Marine by rank, not pay grade.
E-1 Address as Private
E-2 Address as Private First Class
E-3 Address as Lance Corporal
E-4 Address as Corporal
E-5 Address as Sergeant
E-6 Address as Staff Sergeant
E-7 Address as Gunnery Sergeant
E-8 Address as Master Sergeant
E-8 Address as First Sergeant (has diamond between upper and lower chevrons)
E-9 Address as Master Gunnery Sergeant
E-9 Address as Sergeant Major (has star between upper and lower chevrons)

Navy
E-1 – E-3 Address as Seaman
E-4 Address as Petty Officer Third Class
E-5 Address as Petty Officer Second Class
E-6 Address as Petty Officer First Class
E-7 Address as Chief
E-8 Address as Senior Chief
E-9 Address as Master Chief

Air Force
E-1 – E-4 Address as Airman
E-5 thru E-8 Address as Sergeant
E-9 Address as “Chief”

Coast Guard
E-1 to E-3 Address as Seaman/Fireman/Airman and last name
E-4 to E-6 Address as Petty Officer and last name
E-7 Address as Chief
E-8 Address as Senior Chief
E-9 Address as Master Chief
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PO3 Cryptologic Technician
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Actually the Navy is the same as you have listed for the coast guard. E4-E6 is just Petty Officer normally. You usually dont address the class. The exception is if you know the Sailors job. Then you address them with their job abbrivation followed my 1 2 or 3 depending on class. So in my case I would either be Petty Officer or CTN3
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SP5 Rick LaJiness
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have to correct you,..in the Army an E-3 is a PFC...E-2 is still Private....unless things changed since 1972
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SP5 Rick LaJiness
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E-1...no stripe E-2 ...1 stripe E-3...1 stripe with rocker
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Navy NCO's range from PO3 to MCPO, for PO3-1(E4-6) they are addressed as (rate abbreviation)3, 2, or 1. I am An Electronics Technician 2nd Class so ET2, below me would be ET3 and above would be ET1. Once a First Class Petty Officer makes Chief(E7) regardless of the rate they are referred to as Chief, E8 is Senior Chief, and E-9 is Master Chief. If you are going to shorten the addressing of any of the more senior pay grades it's Senior, and Master Chief (this one doesn't shorten)
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LCDR Operations Officer
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Don't forget Command Master Chief. Same paygrade as a Master Chief but not the same.
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PO2 Electronics Technician (Et)
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Sir, All my CMC's went by Master Chief Command Master Chief is not a pay grade or a rank title but a position, I have met a few CSC's (Command Senior Chief) and CC (Command Chief). Also the navy has again made the rates a thing, so I am once again an ET2 yay.
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LCDR Operations Officer
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ET2: I agree with your point concerning shared paygrades but the question was how to address them. A Command Master Chief should be addressed as such. If your Master Chief's didn't say anything, you're lucky. I know a few who would've eaten part of your ear for the mistake. As a commissioned officer, I have apologized to a senior chief for calling him "Chief" when I failed to pick up the star above his fouled anchor on his cover or collar. In my opinion, chiefs who advance to E-8 and 9 really deserve the recognition. It is very difficult to make chief and even more difficult to a Command Master Chief.

Incidentally, a Command Master Chief is CMDCM. CMC is a Chief Construction Mechanic in the Seabees.

PS I am glad you were able to remain an ET rather than a PO2. Tot this day, I still consider myself a Gunner's Mate.

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PO2 Electronics Technician (Et)
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Sir, Command Master Chief is a billet not a rank. There are some unique qualifications to take a Command Master Chief position, however that does not change the fact that it is simply a billet.
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TSgt Desmond Gusimat
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How about "understood" responses for each branch?
Marine = Hoo-rah!
Army = Roger that!
Navy = Aye-aye!
Air Force = Cool!
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LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr.
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Marines say Ooh Raaa
Navy Seals say Hoo Yaa
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Cpl John Porpora
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Marines - "understood" = Aye Sir....or Aye Aye
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MSgt Joseph Haynes
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In the Air Force it's Sgt until you see a Chief Master Sgt. You better address them as Chief. We only use full rank for formal occasions.
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SPC Greg Campbell
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LMAO
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SSG G Smith
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With respect even the wrong term won't cause an issue. Every branch is used to it. Just be respectful.
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