Posted on Mar 31, 2016
What is the proper way to handle soldiers (junior enlisted) addressing each other as Sergeant Major?
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Is there a regulation addressing this or is it just something the old school soldiers would never dream of doing, and the new school soldiers just do whatever they want?
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I’ve seen others call eachother command private major or just private major. As long as its not out of disrespect to anyone i dont see the harm. It’s just normal junior bullshittery
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More responsibility. Training that relates to the infraction. Give them a chance to be responsible for something as remedial training and see what happens. You may set the spark for a future Sergeant Major.
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In every unit I was apart of, everyone had a nickname. Even the company commander. You know there is a funny story behind something when your Captain's informal nickname/call sign is "Turtle." Time and place for formal vs informal.
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1LT William Clardy
I had a platoon leader once who earned the nickname "Whitewater Freddie" after a creek fording that didn't go so well...
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It depends on how the context is. If it's a simple joke between each other, I see no issue. If it's disrespect, I would correct it. Case by case.
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If done as a passing joke, no problem -- chuckle and move on. If it becomes a chronic habit, NCO on-the-spot corrections seem appropriate.
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I seem to recall soldiers calling each other by obscene terms in 1968. Maybe this is an improvement. Maybe they think the pinks and greens will come with SGM stripes. I think those would be great with chrome helmet liners and white Sam Browne belts. Bloused boots too.
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Find out what their intent is when addressing each other as such. If need be, refer to AR 600-20 Para 1-6, Army Command Policy, to teach them on how to properly address other service members.
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SSG (Join to see) This sounds like a mocking, snarky underhanded sarcastic form of disrespect toward the rank structure and or discipline in general. It doesn't even sound like a good natured nickname. Excellent opportunity for an on the spot correction done in the proper manner. If you know what unit the offender(s) is in you could also mention it to one of their senior NCOs to give them a heads up. Now there have been a few good examples among the RP comments SGT (Join to see) where such might be possibly considered a good natured remark, but 90% of the time it is not intended to be complimentary, flattering or funny.
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I don't know if there is a reg regarding this, but I get the impression that it is done to very overtly express a cynical attitude towards the Army, and non-verbally implies a cheapening of SGM rank and, the SGM/CSM(s) above him/her. To resolve I would let the Soldiers know you heard it and were not happy about it. Then tell a CSM...let them deal with it in a creative manner.
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Capt Tom Brown
MAJ (Join to see) Exactly. This sounds like a mocking, snarky underhanded sarcastic form of disrespect toward the rank structure and or discipline in general. It doesn't even sound like a good natured nickname. Excellent opportunity for an on the spot correction done in the proper manner. If you know what unit the offender(s) is in you could also mention it to one of their senior NCOs to give them a heads up.
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Why would anyone even bother a SGM or CSM for this? They have better things to do than listen to an E5 whine about a comment.
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Why? I don't understand why they would do this in the first place. I guess I am too old to get it.
However, deal with it promptly and remind them it is unprofessional and immature to address folks as something they are not. Military members are to be addressed by their rank and name.
However, deal with it promptly and remind them it is unprofessional and immature to address folks as something they are not. Military members are to be addressed by their rank and name.
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SSG (Join to see) Totally unacceptble. Discuss this with them. Explain the history and the fact the responsibility involved the tops have and what it took to get there. If they ignore you, then take action by going to your immediate supervisors. And this includes officers as well. I do not care what they think but what they know about leadership.
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Never heard of it... Of course I have heard the rank Specialist Major used...
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1LT William Clardy
You weren't supposed to mention that in public, CSM David Heidke!
Mention of that rank is not authorized outside of Special Needs discussions!
Mention of that rank is not authorized outside of Special Needs discussions!
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1LT William Clardy
I've learned to understand many things, CSM David Heidke, whether they be in Echelons Above Reality, Chevrons Below Responsibility, or somewhere in between...
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Ask them when they went to the schools to obtain the rank of SGM and then tell them they are susceptible to Article 15 findings for #1 either being out of uniform for not wearing proper rank in garrison environments or #2 impersonating a higher ranking NCO. See how they change then. You don’t have to be of higher rank or same branch when observing and commenting on one’s military service record and uniform.
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It is a display of disrespect for the Senior NCO and they should be placed under a new supervisor because their current supervisor does not recognize when disrespect is being displayed by his subordinates. They can be given an order to stop such disrespect and if they dont stop then they can be administered appropriate discipline for disobeying an order.
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I understand their attempt at barracks humor, poor as it may be but if they have so little tact and environmental awareness to do this in front of an NCO, CO, WO or anyone else that doesn't share their humor, they deserve anything they get. Actions have consequences.
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Now, just wait a GD minute here. Its in the rear and barricks fun. There is more important things to worry about.
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1LT William Clardy
I have to disagree with you on this, SFC Casey O'Mally. Gibbs-smacks are only authorized for purposes of NCOPD.
If you're going to stop long enough to take notice, better to recognize their newly-found ranks by placing them in command of the nearest available idiot sticks and then task them with properly supervising their new commands performing mission-appropriate tasks and training.
If you're going to stop long enough to take notice, better to recognize their newly-found ranks by placing them in command of the nearest available idiot sticks and then task them with properly supervising their new commands performing mission-appropriate tasks and training.
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