Posted on Oct 23, 2015
What is the purpose of the "no profanity" policy in WLC?
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What is it that the cadre and policy makers in NCOES schools think they are accomplishing by suppressing 240 years of culture. Secondly, I don't know of anyone who after the school was like "oh I better not cuss now I'm a warrior leader"
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About the time I was in basic, Linden Johnson outlawed cussing - screwed up some great Jody calls.
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There is a standing order from General George Washington that states as a soldier and a professional you should refrain from using profanity in and out of uniform. It gives the wrong image not only of yourself but also of the ARMY and America.
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Sergeant Sharpe - when I went through the NCO Academy 40 something years ago (which later became PNCOC) there was no rule against profanity. It just wasn't used, either by students or cadre. This continued through ANCOC and First Sergeant's School. There is no need for profanity in speech or writing, other than to shock or surprise. Tone of voice and an expanded vocabulary will do the same, without shocking or insulting others. Good luck to you in your career, and try to keep those unnecessary profanities out of your speech.
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A FEW PEOPLE COMMENT THAT PROFANITY IS UN PROFESSIONAL AND IT IS IN THE BUSINESS WORLD BUT ON THE BATTLEFIELD THATS ANOTHER STORY JUST A REMINDER ONE OF OUR NATIONS GREATEST LEADERS GEN PATTON WAS KNOWN TO THROW THE F BOMB QUITE OFTEN I BELIEVE IT WAS PROBABLY DUE TO HIS INTENSITY AND A MOTIVATIONAL TOOL MY POINT BEING THAT THROWING AROUND THE F BOMB NOW AND THEN IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING UNLESS YOUR WORKING WITH A SUITE AND TIE IN A MANHATTAN OFFICE JUST MY TAKE ON IT
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SSG Katherine Likely
Patten had a squeaky voice and if he didn't cuss no one would have taken him seriously.
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I can't speak for current policy but personally I believe it may have something to do with professionalism. I grew up a "Navy Brat" , raised by a WWII original "Bad Ass" UDT/SEAL. Don't ever remember my father dropping the F bomb in front of my mom and/or brothers and sister. I served 20 plus years and never felt I had to use four letter words to express myself and/or get the message across in any situation. If one chooses to "cuss" I only ask they not do so in front of my wife, daughters and grandchildren. There is a time and a place, be smart, be professional, and be courteous.
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As a Senior NCOES Instructor in the late 1980s, I taught the NCOs that it was unprofessional to swear or use derogatory remarks as a Non-Commissioned Officer. As a student, you are not in your unit, but in student status. You can only be evaluated as a student by the artificial stresses placed on you to see how you react. It takes discipline and moral courage to control your tongue. In the old days, NCOs were not professional. Once NCOES was established, a whole new ballgame. You need to review the Creed of the Non-Commissioned Officer. I personally taught 103 Cycles of PLDC in addition to BNCOC and ANCOC. I trained and "Murder Boarded" many Instructors as well. Thus you need to check your cussing at the door and exercise discipline and professionalism. Cussing only cheapens your conduct and deportment.
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I was once told that if you are a person who uses colorful language all the time ie..the F word.
It losses it's EFFECTIVENESS. However, a well place F in a conversation can be very EFFECTIVE.
It losses it's EFFECTIVENESS. However, a well place F in a conversation can be very EFFECTIVE.
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This suppression is one of the best things I have heard about. If you can't communicate as a professional, then you don't deserve the stripes.
I am not all against cussing, but the level the army is at disgusts me.
I am not all against cussing, but the level the army is at disgusts me.
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Well, actually it's a violation in the UCMJ 24/7. Good luck enforcing that one. I think 90+ percent of of service members would have at least 1 AR15 on this one.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl134-29.htm
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl134-29.htm
UCMJ - Article 134 - (Indecent language)
Punitive articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Includes information from the Manual for Court Martial (MCM), 2002, including text from the UCMJ, elements of proof, explanation of offenses, and maximum permissible punishment under military court-martial.
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I don't even want to write something about this one. But it's the army. If you can't handle getting cussed at then don't mess up and you won't hear them terrible words to hurt your feelings. Can't handle it get out. I got cussed out many times and I am happy I did cause I never made them mistakes again. It didn't hurt my feelings. And if you hear a conversation that has nothing to do with you and they cuss who cares. Keep to yourself. People are weak period. Anyone have that Hurt Feelings Report!.
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CPT William Ainley
Sergeant, I assure you that just because it rolled off you, doesn't mean that you are in the majority. My feelings are not hurt by your tasteless comment, my feelings are incensed by them. Before being commissioned, I too held the rank of Sergeant First Class (PSG) as an 11-B. I never resorted to "cussing" someone out when remiss in performing their job or in small talk. Of course I am Old School, and was a Non-Commissioned Officer before you were old enough to worry about acne. The Leadership Courses beginning in 1971 did not include any reference to," it's okay to use vulgar language" but emphasis was on "It is not okay to use profane and vulgar language".
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CPT William Ainley - Sir, I am not saying everyone should go around and cuss people out. But the problem is now a days people are looking to jack up someone's career. No one is out to take a butt chewing when they are wrong and have thick skin and fix themselves. Problems like this was not talked about in the 90's. And it's my opinion. You can tell me you have been in before I was old enough to have acne. Haha good one. I guess your proud of that. But they asked for our opinion so I gave it. Your reply to mine is the exact same thing I was talking about. If you don't like it then ignore it. The military would be a better place. You can give me a tumbs down on this one as well if it makes you feel better. Take care and Happy Halloween!
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CPT William Ainley
Tsk, tsk, Sergeant, regarding your response to my comment about acne, it does make me feel good! When I enlisted into the United States Army, our Great Nation was being torn apart by my peer group,a generation of cry babies called "Baby Boomers" resorting to both emotional, and in many cases physical violence while expressing their reluctance to be involved in the war being waged in Southeast Asia by our Government. This anger, and disrespect was also directed toward men and women in uniform on an every day occurrence from those that remained silent, but "glared" to verbal assault, to actual physical assault!
I don't get your drift regarding " Someone looking to jack up someone's career". By now, you, as a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer should have the perception to know your boundaries when in the presence of Officers, and other Non-Commissioned Officers in a facility, or when out in the field.
In regard to your assertion that " But they asked for our opinion so I gave it" Then you should have implied, "I said what I meant, and I meant what I said" Instead you concluded by stating "Anyone have that Hurt Feelings Report".
In regards to your comment "People are weak, period!" What?
I did enjoy Halloween, and made sure all the "Little Ones" got plenty of candy, I hope your Halloween was a pleasant one too. Thank you for your service to our Great Nation, and be sure to take full advantage of all the "freebies" being offered by restaurants on Veterans Day, I know I will, we have earned it!
I don't get your drift regarding " Someone looking to jack up someone's career". By now, you, as a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer should have the perception to know your boundaries when in the presence of Officers, and other Non-Commissioned Officers in a facility, or when out in the field.
In regard to your assertion that " But they asked for our opinion so I gave it" Then you should have implied, "I said what I meant, and I meant what I said" Instead you concluded by stating "Anyone have that Hurt Feelings Report".
In regards to your comment "People are weak, period!" What?
I did enjoy Halloween, and made sure all the "Little Ones" got plenty of candy, I hope your Halloween was a pleasant one too. Thank you for your service to our Great Nation, and be sure to take full advantage of all the "freebies" being offered by restaurants on Veterans Day, I know I will, we have earned it!
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If all you've got is a bunch of F words strung together, you will never get respect or integrity from your soldiers. Your skills and care for your soldiers will qualify your speech and leadership skills. If want to sound strong, never say "was LIKE oh I better not cuss." We don't need that culture change either.
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Hmmm, make that 2,400 years of culture. Remember the Athenian corporal who had been assaulting the walls of Troy for ten years,"How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?"
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WHO the FUCK knows?
SCARED I guess,THERE is a time for profanity amongst ones peers.
When attacking and the occasional individual ,requires a pep talk. WHO here remembers the scene in "Pacific Rim" ,where the female pilot drops out into an emotional funk.ALL of that could have been CUT through with the appropriate racial epithet and a condescending description of her sexuality and lack of intelligence.
odds are little Mariko has never been spoken to that way,by shocking her back to reality.
The ONLY thing quicker is a slap...which tends to aggravate commanders for some GIRLY reason.
THAT my friends is a CONCISE and logical reason. I WOULD avoid it in Church or around LADIES in the O-club but AT LEAST don't expect KNUCKLE draggers to kid ourselves.
SCARED I guess,THERE is a time for profanity amongst ones peers.
When attacking and the occasional individual ,requires a pep talk. WHO here remembers the scene in "Pacific Rim" ,where the female pilot drops out into an emotional funk.ALL of that could have been CUT through with the appropriate racial epithet and a condescending description of her sexuality and lack of intelligence.
odds are little Mariko has never been spoken to that way,by shocking her back to reality.
The ONLY thing quicker is a slap...which tends to aggravate commanders for some GIRLY reason.
THAT my friends is a CONCISE and logical reason. I WOULD avoid it in Church or around LADIES in the O-club but AT LEAST don't expect KNUCKLE draggers to kid ourselves.
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Profanity doesn't matter to point. In my opinion the only time it shouldn't be used is in public/garrison or talking to a higher ranking due to respect that should be shown, other than that who f***in cares. Also just cause one uses profanity it does not define their intelligence.
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I don't thank using profanity is a necessity.
If there's a rule you can't use it in school then there is a rule. Do I thank it is a nisessity? No Do I feel inforcing it is a waist of time? Yes We are Profesionals but we are also not the girl scouts or politicians. I know if I and many nco's over me are not going to care when an event happens were life's are on the line.
If there's a rule you can't use it in school then there is a rule. Do I thank it is a nisessity? No Do I feel inforcing it is a waist of time? Yes We are Profesionals but we are also not the girl scouts or politicians. I know if I and many nco's over me are not going to care when an event happens were life's are on the line.
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