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I feel WLC should be complete before pinning E-5 and should include more MOS specific course work. ALC should be complete before pinning E-6. There should also be more MOS driven NCOAs at every NCO rank up to SGM. I don't agree that the next exposure you get to MOS training after AIT is at ALC. For some, this is 6-8 years of no MOS training. As we move to a more professional Army, we should be provided with more professional training.
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I believe this is a good question in which you will get a variety of different answers.
I believe NCOA schools provide the tools needed to help develop leaders. So in that I mean you get what you take from it. There are some things that I am sure that a lot of NCO's would say they would like to get at each course (WLC, ALC and SLC) or add to, or focus on more but as a Leader you have to gather that while your on the Job.
I believe NCOA schools provide the tools needed to help develop leaders. So in that I mean you get what you take from it. There are some things that I am sure that a lot of NCO's would say they would like to get at each course (WLC, ALC and SLC) or add to, or focus on more but as a Leader you have to gather that while your on the Job.
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Ideally you are working in your MOS at your unit. WLC is designed to teach/freshen up basic leadership skills that a new NCO needs. SLC is to teach more management skills than MOS as you will need to know more personnel management as a SFC.
I understand that some don't work their MOS in their units. Extended periods such as what you describe (6-8 years) is leadership failure in my opinion.
I understand that some don't work their MOS in their units. Extended periods such as what you describe (6-8 years) is leadership failure in my opinion.
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SFC Gilley, I definitely see your point of view. I believe that we do need the basic leadership training as well. I just feel that we can institute MOS training. Even if you are doing your job, you only get one day a week for Sergeant's time training and this is to mainly train the soldiers not the NCOs. If you got the training you need while doing your job, then ALC wouldn't be MOS specific. As far as the soldiers not getting MOS training for 6-8 between AIT and ALC, I am referencing soldiers who have high cutoff scores. I have known several outstanding soldiers who have taken college courses, correspondence courses, and done what they need to do to make points and still not pick up Sergeant for several years afer they are eligible. By this point they have not recieved doctrinal training in their MOS for way too long.
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CW2 (Join to see) I get where you are coming from. You have to think about the cost o fit though. If WLC were to be MOS specific training then the Army would have to have WLC classes for every different MOS and not just one group. ALC is that way and you get more advanced technical training and not just typical everyday MOS training.
I still fail to see the point you are making about Soldiers with 6-8 years and not working in their field? Where does high cut off scores come into play? Yes I understand it takes them a while longer to get promoted because of it, but that should have NOTHING to do with them working outside their MOS.
I still fail to see the point you are making about Soldiers with 6-8 years and not working in their field? Where does high cut off scores come into play? Yes I understand it takes them a while longer to get promoted because of it, but that should have NOTHING to do with them working outside their MOS.
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CW2 (Join to see), as much I believe this would be great, the problem is that the Army simply doesn't have the kind of resources this would require. I have however noticed that this is a pretty serious issue (which I've witnessed in my own MOS E1-E7) and one that I think requires 1) proactive self improvement, 2) engaged leadership and 3) knowledgeability of the duties and expectations of personnel in a more intimate matter.
For example, the MOS specific Soldier's Manual and Trainers Guide (SMTG) alongside the METL are my guiding factor in my current planning for a long term training plan for the Soldiers and NCOs I supervise. A problem I've noticed is that many NCOs, including E7s or higher, have never even heard of the SMTG or don't know where to find the METL for the SMs they're responsible for.
While it's not easy, it's up to the SM to reach out among their seniors, peers and even subordinates, to determine what they need to learn and how to get it... so they can then communicate that higher in order to acquire that training or experience.
I don't believe the rapid advancement of personnel through the ranks to blame either, but poor mentorship on what to teach, how to teach it and properly resourcing that training seems to be rampant in some organizations more so than others.
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SGT Mullet
EDIT: Had to fix a thing or two...
For example, the MOS specific Soldier's Manual and Trainers Guide (SMTG) alongside the METL are my guiding factor in my current planning for a long term training plan for the Soldiers and NCOs I supervise. A problem I've noticed is that many NCOs, including E7s or higher, have never even heard of the SMTG or don't know where to find the METL for the SMs they're responsible for.
While it's not easy, it's up to the SM to reach out among their seniors, peers and even subordinates, to determine what they need to learn and how to get it... so they can then communicate that higher in order to acquire that training or experience.
I don't believe the rapid advancement of personnel through the ranks to blame either, but poor mentorship on what to teach, how to teach it and properly resourcing that training seems to be rampant in some organizations more so than others.
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SGT Mullet
EDIT: Had to fix a thing or two...
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