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SGT Philip Roncari
CSM Charles Hayden,MSG Louis Alexander -this is one of those times I just don't have a flippant response,this stuff is just bat sh#%t crazy.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
MSG Louis Alexander This is my cot in June 1953. A month later I inherited a real cot’s mattress/pad. After adjusting the air mattress’s air, it was so soft and forgiving, one of the other Soldiers in the tent suggested I was sleeping on a cot comprised of women’s upper body parts!
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No although it would be nice. Someone in the past command group purchased them or got approval to purchase them and given that we only have 6 barracks rooms I can only speculate that is how we acquired them. Housing dept is saying they cannot purchase new mattresses for my guys because a reg says only twins allowed.
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SGT Dave Tracy
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Hmm. I never lived in the Bs, but I had guys who did and it never occurred to me there was any other option but twin. Those guys had decent sized bedrooms where one could have fit a full size comfortably; queen perhaps, but not quite as comfortably; kings could physically fit in those bedrooms, but I bet it would be in violation of some fire code.
It sounds like Housing might be able to direct you to the regulation if they are so quick to invoke it against you.
Good luck.
It sounds like Housing might be able to direct you to the regulation if they are so quick to invoke it against you.
Good luck.
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It's probably in the supply regs, as to what is considered issue- don't get your hopes you for a queen size!
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So AR420-1 is where you start. Then you need to,look at FAR and several CTAs highlighted for UPH Furnishings.
Page 83: f. Acquisition of furnishings.
(1) Per Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR), the primary source of procurement will normally be through the General Services Administration (GSA). However, Federal Prison Industries, Inc. (FPI), also known by the trade name UNICOR, will be offered first choice for the provision of items they manufacture (18 USC 4124, as iterated in the FAR, Subpart 8.6). The installation’s Director of Contracting makes determination as to which organization will provide requested furnishings. To minimize storage, transportation, and handling costs, procurement should be timed to provide delivery when needed.
You need to chase the CTAs for furnishings, that will dictate single twin etc.
3–73. Unaccompanied personnel housing furnishings
a. Unaccompanied personnel housing furnishings policy.
(1) Government furnishings will be provided in Government-controlled housing and may be provided the following unaccompanied Soldiers occupying private rental housing in Hawaii and Alaska and OCONUS:
(a) Unaccompanied staff sergeants (E–6) and above in Hawaii and Alaska; sergeant first class (E–7) and above OCONUS, who opt to live in private rental housing.
(b) Unaccompanied Soldiers of all grades who reside in private rental housing due to the nonavailability of Government-controlled UPH.
(2) Unaccompanied personnel occupying private housing per paragraph 3–73a(1) may be provided the same furniture and equipment that is offered to accompanied personnel with the following added requirements:
(a) Sergeants (E–5) and below in CONUS including Hawaii and Alaska; staff sergeants (E–6) and below OCONUS must provide the issuing officer a copy of their CNAs of on-post housing.
(b) Furnishings will be procured with OMA base operations (.9 account) funds and issued per allowances prescribed in CTA 50–909 and CTA 50–970.
(3) Exceptions to CTA 50–909 and CTA 50–970 will be submitted to HQDA (DAIM–ISH), 600 Army Pentagon, Washington, DC 20310–0600 to obtain approval to purchase nonstandard barracks items (for example, special applica- tion designed-to-space or modular furnishings) for use in newly constructed or modernized facilities. As a minimum, the IMCOM will provide the following information with narrative justification for waiver consideration:
(a) Specifications for requested nonstandard item.
(b) Area gain allotted per man (if applicable), and number to be assigned per bedroom or cubicle.
(c) Floor plan displaying furnishings placement.
(d) Quantity and estimated unit price of nonstandard items being requested to include cost variance to GSA schedule
contract for furnishings items.
(4) If an exception to CTA 50–909 or CTA 50–970 is granted from HQDA, then the garrison commander or
IMCOM Region will be responsible for obtaining an exception to the FAR/DFARS/AFARS through the local procurement activity. Procurement must be accomplished per the laws and regulations governing the expenditure of Federal funds. This regulation will not be construed as authority for sole source procurement for such nonstandard items. When applicable, the above procedures may be utilized to obtain exception to CTA for replacement furnishings.
(5) When authorized by the garrison commander, personal furnishings may be used in UPH (PP) in place of Government furnishings. Normally, water beds, if authorized, will be installed only on slab-on-grade floors.
Page 83: f. Acquisition of furnishings.
(1) Per Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR), the primary source of procurement will normally be through the General Services Administration (GSA). However, Federal Prison Industries, Inc. (FPI), also known by the trade name UNICOR, will be offered first choice for the provision of items they manufacture (18 USC 4124, as iterated in the FAR, Subpart 8.6). The installation’s Director of Contracting makes determination as to which organization will provide requested furnishings. To minimize storage, transportation, and handling costs, procurement should be timed to provide delivery when needed.
You need to chase the CTAs for furnishings, that will dictate single twin etc.
3–73. Unaccompanied personnel housing furnishings
a. Unaccompanied personnel housing furnishings policy.
(1) Government furnishings will be provided in Government-controlled housing and may be provided the following unaccompanied Soldiers occupying private rental housing in Hawaii and Alaska and OCONUS:
(a) Unaccompanied staff sergeants (E–6) and above in Hawaii and Alaska; sergeant first class (E–7) and above OCONUS, who opt to live in private rental housing.
(b) Unaccompanied Soldiers of all grades who reside in private rental housing due to the nonavailability of Government-controlled UPH.
(2) Unaccompanied personnel occupying private housing per paragraph 3–73a(1) may be provided the same furniture and equipment that is offered to accompanied personnel with the following added requirements:
(a) Sergeants (E–5) and below in CONUS including Hawaii and Alaska; staff sergeants (E–6) and below OCONUS must provide the issuing officer a copy of their CNAs of on-post housing.
(b) Furnishings will be procured with OMA base operations (.9 account) funds and issued per allowances prescribed in CTA 50–909 and CTA 50–970.
(3) Exceptions to CTA 50–909 and CTA 50–970 will be submitted to HQDA (DAIM–ISH), 600 Army Pentagon, Washington, DC 20310–0600 to obtain approval to purchase nonstandard barracks items (for example, special applica- tion designed-to-space or modular furnishings) for use in newly constructed or modernized facilities. As a minimum, the IMCOM will provide the following information with narrative justification for waiver consideration:
(a) Specifications for requested nonstandard item.
(b) Area gain allotted per man (if applicable), and number to be assigned per bedroom or cubicle.
(c) Floor plan displaying furnishings placement.
(d) Quantity and estimated unit price of nonstandard items being requested to include cost variance to GSA schedule
contract for furnishings items.
(4) If an exception to CTA 50–909 or CTA 50–970 is granted from HQDA, then the garrison commander or
IMCOM Region will be responsible for obtaining an exception to the FAR/DFARS/AFARS through the local procurement activity. Procurement must be accomplished per the laws and regulations governing the expenditure of Federal funds. This regulation will not be construed as authority for sole source procurement for such nonstandard items. When applicable, the above procedures may be utilized to obtain exception to CTA for replacement furnishings.
(5) When authorized by the garrison commander, personal furnishings may be used in UPH (PP) in place of Government furnishings. Normally, water beds, if authorized, will be installed only on slab-on-grade floors.
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SGT Cordell, I’ve asked two questions on Rally Point just to begin in depth conversation, debate and view replies which was both educational and informative. Both questions I knew of the answers for yet no question is a stupid question – Right? Hu um…anyway, with such a broad audience one should challenge minds with an array of subjects and Pal, this one takes the cake! Now a bright young Hard Charger like yourself are more then capable of challenging anyone’s mental capacity and who would have thought this particular question was such a harbinger? Listen old guys like myself experience many things in our lifetime, but to consider the size of a Barracks bed stumps even myself. Touché! Well played. Being this particular item falls under what I would suspect your local neighborhood supply room, I’d scurry down to the supply NCO or Officers office and inquire from within, at least that’s a start. Keep in mind however, there are many different bed sizes, frames, mattress’, box springs, headset, foot set etc. to consider. So, you might want to take a photo of the girl just for easier identification. I’m sure many of our military colleagues and I look forward to even more challenging questions of this nature in the near future. And like I said, no question is a stupid question regardless how absurd it may be. “Set the example and strive for excellence”.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
SGT (Join to see) I had a real (?), 3 inch thick GI Matress in Korea. Placed on top of an Air Mattress it was like sleeping on a bed of female breasts!
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MSG Louis Alexander
Com'on Cap, take another sip of that coffee, sit back, relax and when the moments right, giv'em hell.
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