Posted on Dec 14, 2018
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I was walking with a Navy LT and an Army Maj. (My hospital has both services) from the USO across the street to the hospital and a PFC passed and didn’t salute. I stopped and asked her, “Do enlisted soldiers not salute officers anymore?” The Maj. with me said I didn’t have to be so aggressive about it. What’s a better way of addressing it without coming off as aggressive?
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LTC John Griscom
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Military is not the place for touchy-feely.
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SFC Senior Human Resources Nco (S1)
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Ask them what army they think they’re in and start screaming profanities!
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SGM Debra Bradshaw
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Just politely remind the Officer that it’s your duty to do an on-the-spot correction.
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CW3 John Himes
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The major was wrong, on the sport corrections call for direct and specific words and actions. Don't sugar coat it, point it out . It is remembered that way and not sloughed off.
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CW3 Walter Goerner
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There are always excuses when called into account and I've heard them all. Personally, I've had to correct enlistedmen for not saluting passing officers when the officers didn't correct them but the offenders that got to me were the one's that looked you in the face, had to see the bar on your beret and still passed by within a few feet. Then, I'm not nice when I have to turn around to correct the behavior.
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1SG Dave Carello
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You took corrective action which is the responsibility of ALL Soldiers. It seems the problem was with the Officer.
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PFC Combat Engineer
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That's not even aggressive. You're right about it so who cares? The only time ita wrong is if you threaten someone for doing something wrong
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PFC (Join to see) respectfully, I might disagree.
Imagine if Gunnery Sergeant Chuck McLeatherjaw walked by and didn’t salute. And the Army Specialist did the exact same thing. As long as he didn’t threaten the disrespectful Marine, hes right?
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PFC Combat Engineer
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SGT (Join to see) it's different when correcting a superior. You correct superiors tactfully. But you should correct your subordinates in a sort of aggressive manner. Dont let it be shown that BS is okay. Make them remember that experience of being corrected and then they will have no trouble doing it the next time
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SGT Retired
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PFC (Join to see) - I guess here’s where I might disagree. You correct everyone tactfully. Certain ranks warrant different levels of tact, for sure. To start, a PFC isn’t exactly subordinate to a full bird Private (specialist). Does it outrank him? Of course. But in reality, an E4 trying to d*ckstomp an E3 (especially one not assigned to him directly) often just frustrates the E4.

It was a minor lapse. Maybe the sun was in her eyes. Maybe she just didn’t see it. Maybe..etc. Treat it like you just saw an E7 with his boot unbloused. ‘Hey, just wanted to let you know, your boot is unbloused.’

There are ways of being tactful, respectful, firm and even aggressive, all at the same time. The OP drifted into sarcastic waters and that rarely works.
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1LT Quartermaster Officer
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PFC (Join to see) - Please refer to FM 7-13-21, Chapter 3 "Duties, Responsibilities, and Authority of the Soldier", section "Inspections and Corrections" ; subsection "On-the-Spot Corrections" 3-44 through 3-46 as well as figures 3.1 and 3.2. I also would suggest a couple of quotes that I think are fitting in this situation: “Regardless of age or grade, Soldiers should be treated as mature individuals. They are engaged in an honorable profession and deserve to be treated as such.” GEN Bruce Clarke; "Correct errors in the use of judgment and initiative in such a way as to encourage the individual." FM 22-10, Leadership (1951); “He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect toward others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself." MG John M. Schofield (all quotes from "Corrective Training/Corrective Action Guide for Leaders" NOV 2011 online at cybercoe.army.mil)
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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I had a 2LT do the same thing to me in 1992 when I chewed out a soldier about not saluting an officer. The 2LT that wasn't saluted explained to me it wasn't important but a watching Major then cut in to explain to me (in a deadpan manner), "It's okay Sergeant, 2LT Yadi-yadi is correct that 2LTs aren't really officers."
The look on on the 2LT's face was priceless as he absorbed the implications of what he had started.
My CSM called me in later (about the non-saluting soldier) and we had a good laugh when he told me the story was all around the Bde HQ, but the COL was very happy with the 2LT's "education".
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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That one is funny.
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Sgt Dan Catlin
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Gotta luv them "butter bars!" I was Duty NCO and brought a young Marine into my office, away from others to school him for not saluting. I removed my cover, which although I was wearing a duty belt was generally accepted inside the Duty Office. While "tactfully" explaining the error of his ways, a 2nd Lt. walked out of a door behind me and in the middle of a sentence said "And you are uncovered while under arms, Sgt." I put my cover on, came to attention and saluted, saying "The Lt. is correct. Good afternoon, sir." He left and I finished my "lesson" with the Pfc.

The Lt. came back in about 15 mins. later and apologized, saying he realized he had just taken away some of my authority by doing that.

People make mistakes. All of us did in this case. But we all handled it with tact and military courtesy, which is firm but respectful, just like a proper salute should be! Ass chewings are the next level of discipline, not the first. But neither is it soft, like a limp handshake. Firm, sharp, to the point. And when you are wrong, admit and take the reproof and/or apologize if it is appropriate. But be assured, I made sure before the Pfc left that LT had not removed any of my authority! I did respect him for making the effort to come back and apologize.
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Maj John Bell
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I had a Sgt who would stop the non-saluters, particularly if the are obviously looking away. He would use humor and explain that when they failed to look me in my eyes and render a proper salute; I interpreted it that they assumed I was Godlike a merely meeting my gaze would cause them to burst into flame.

But your Major was wrong, let me guess... he/she was a healthcare professional. The majority are great, but many restricted line officers do not understand the necessity of immediate, intelligent obedience.
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As others are saying, just be more direct. Instead of asking rhetorical questions to make your point, simply state "hey/excuse me, you just passed an officer without saluting!" It puts the bottom line up front and they always follow with a salute.

Just the other day I had to correct five Soldiers who did not salute a Warrant Officer as we walked by. The worst was when a Staff Sergeant did it, he had a free left hand, but was carrying a small box in his right hand. He ignored the salute, then two privates walking behind him ignored the salute as well. I got loud at that point, because the SSG had just set a wrong standard for the junior Soldiers to follow, and they immediately followed it. Needless to say, after that, everyone within 100m were paying attention and saluting as the warrant passed.

I do take into account when officers turn their head or body, making it difficult to see their rank as they approach/pass. I don't say anything when that happens. I think some officers do this on purpose though, ha.

I also take into account that newer Soldiers aren't often familiar with Warrant Officer rank, so I may adjust my approach accordingly to the situation. If a Soldier looks genuinely confused, I will pull them to the side to explain. If I catch someone making a glance and then positioning themselves to ignore, then I get more aggressive with my response.

Accidents do happen, but such an on-the-spot correction can increase their alertness for a short period.
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I remember my sergeant's correction of my shortcomings often began with the observation "HEY, SHIT FOR BRAINS COLLEGE BOY!" (or something even more colorful).
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Sgt Dan Catlin
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Officers turning their heads is a good point. As a young L/Cpl I once saluted a Warrant Officer, and was corrected by a Cpl. after he's passed. The Cpl. was a bit of a butt-head, but he was correct when I thought about it. The WO probably for some reason did not want to be saluted. However honestly, I still think an officer of any rank is wrong to do this. Technically wrong, at least. But never having worn anything shiny on my collars, I guess I'm not in a position to pass judgement.
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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I think the more important question is was it a “No hat, No salute” zone? I’ve seen that at hospitals and USOs as well as Aviation AOs.
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1LT Quartermaster Officer
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Good catch!
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SGT Supply Sergeant (S4)
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Tactful but straightforward.
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Sgt Dan Catlin
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Concise!
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SSgt James Whetstone
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I was a ssgt and my wife's cousin was a LT. We met each other in a parking lot in front of base hq and didn't exchange salutes. A bird Colonel proceeded to rip us a new one and impressed us that the salutes were for rendering respect for the uniform and not necessarily the individual wearing it. Never forgot that educational moment. We were in the wrong. If the private can't accept that as a man perhaps he's in the wrong profession.
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SSG Eric Blue
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I dig it. In uniform, totally. Out of uniform, NOPE! I have plenty of friends who are commissioned or warrants and we were friends long before the rank. I still rendered the proper respect their rank afforded when we were in uniform. Out of uniform, we were normal people. Especially if they were coming to my class!
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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The question is not so much who was right and who was wrong. The question was "who" is responsible for doing it? If I was an officer and failed to catch someone, I'd be embarrassed as hell for you (enlisted) to immediately start doing my job for me. And that would get you a bigger ass-chewing from me. There were many times I'd be walking with an officer and someone wouldn't salute them for whatever reason. Many times the officer would jump over and make the necessary correction. Sometimes not. Not my problem, right?
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SGT Jeffrey Sygman
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It should be done immediately. Especially if you are certain the enlisted soldier intentionally avoided it. Aggressive or non aggressive is just style. The importance is correcting the problem and making the soldier aware of their surroundings.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
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Of course this just happened. I saluted (as a civilian) a soldier I know was injured in Afghanistan. A few minutes later an Air Force officer told me civilians don't salute military. He is lucky I was in a hurry to go home. I have every freaking 1st amendment right to show my respect for a member of our military by saluting him/her.
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Cpl Geoff Smith
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You were right, the soldier was corrected very tactfully, the way it should be done.
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1LT Rich Voss
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I guess I'd start off by asking if this hospital environment and the nearby USO has a "lax" attitude toward saluting, in general. And secondly, if this Major and Lieutenant were medical officers. My experience, way back in the late 60's, was that our BN surgeon (a top-notch neurosurgeon that was DRAFTED), could "give a crap" about military policy and procedures. He often did not return salutes or gave a sort-of "wave". Why he was only an Army CPT is knowledge held only by the Army. I also experienced, as a brand new "Butter Bar" in that same unit, our Company TOP that walked into the platoon leaders room and told the three of us "Newbies" that he was absolutely NOT going to salute us, unless we had the gonads to go out back of the barracks with him and win a fist-fight. LOL ! With him being a crusty old Viet Nam vet, we all figured he knew some real "dirty" fighting, so no one took him up on it. Within a month or so we apparently passed whatever test he had for us and he started saluting us. Perhaps one of my fellow 2LTs complained to our CO, or further up the chain. I never found out, nor particularly cared.... However, I NEVER tolerated a non-salute from any other enlisted man, as I had been drafted and worked my way through to E5 then OCS. It's a fairly simple rule, respect the rank. Even as a 2LT we always saluted the 1LTs. They often laughed about it, as we all had the same jobs !
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LCDR Robert S.
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When I left the fleet to go to NROTC, there was a guy (who wasn't one of my close friends) who said to me, "If I meet you later, I'm not going to salute you." I pointed out that, of course, he wouldn't because he's my buddy. And since he's my buddy, I would, naturally, be calling him by his first name, maybe even by a stupid nickname, even if he'd become an LPO or Chief by then and I was talking to him in front of his junior sailors. He then said, "On second thought, Bob, I guess I'll salute you and call you sir." You probably could have done something similar.
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MSgt Walter Clack
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You were very passive aggressive in this humble Marine's opinion. I would have locked that young PFC up and in no uncertain terms explained that it was NOT acceptable to simply ignore not one but two Officers. Then after letting the PFC go on their merry way would have addressed the Major's lack of concern for improper discipline. Semper Fi
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Sgt Dan Catlin
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I'd have waited for the officer to say something about why I requested leave (excused myself) and had an obviously formal discussion with the young serviceman. After he breached the subject, unless of course he was correcting me, then I'd VERY TACTFULLY explain protocol and proper discipline and why it was necessary. A MSgt probably can take more leave with officers. A Sgt still has to watch just how much leave he takes!
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MSgt Walter Clack
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Sgt Catlin you are probably right about addressing the issue with the Major. lol
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SCPO Morris Ramsey
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Just do it!
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MAJ Deputy S1
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I had this happen when I was newly commissioned. But I also remember being a JR Enlisted. Any rank above SPC scared the crap out of me. It's part of the autonomic fight, flight or freeze mechanism we all have ( some people just don't freeze). You can tell by the look in their eyes and body language.

Best way to respond, IMHO, is to approach the Soldier and give instruction. Don't berate the Soldier, just be a gentleman (or lady) and instruct and professionally correct. Employ the "see one, do one, teach one" aspect of the educational process. Remind the Soldier of proper etiquette and ensure they know that etiquette through the lesson.

It's always better to guide and teach with sugar than with salt. If there is an NCO nearby, let the NCO address the situation. If the NCO does not, shame on that NCO. If they address it, I trust they will address it appropristely.
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Brad Powers
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How are America's young military service members supposed to get the mental toughness and savvy needed in order to overcome real adversity if they are considered to be too sensitive for accountability. I am just a civilian and this may sound weird this may sound for all I know but there are many reasons why I really want to serve my country. And what them is the feeling you get when you're involved with good positive teamwork. I would be proud to salute the U.S. Military uniform it is exactly the kind of stuff that just motivates me.
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Brad Powers Brad, have you talked to any recruiters about enlisting?
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Brad Powers
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Sgt (Join to see) i have Sgt though i would need at least an age waiver. The responses have all been "thank you for your interest and support but we are not processing age waivers and have not done so for a long time". I do not think i will be good for U.S. Military Service, i know i will be if given a chance.
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Sgt Dan Catlin
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Brad Powers - You are young, and have your whole life ahead in which to serve. However it is never too soon to prepare! Get in shape, then get in better shape. I was a distance runner, and that more than anything helped me when humping ammo boxes at the double time up the hills at San Onafre in BITS (infantry training which all Marines went through, and most certainly still do). Turn out for sports like wrestling, or learn to box. And go back to those recruiters and get any advice and any information they can give you. And finish high school with good grades. Figure out which branch you want, and bug those recruiters so much the day after you graduate they will have everything ready for your signature! I wish you fair winds and following seas!
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Brad Powers
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Sgt Dan Catlin Sgt. Dan Catlin, thank you for the encouraging words as well as for your Love for America and courageous service to her sustain. Understood Sir.
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