Posted on Dec 14, 2018
What’s the proper way to correct someone when not saluting an officer?
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I was walking with a Navy LT and an Army Maj. (My hospital has both services) from the USO across the street to the hospital and a PFC passed and didn’t salute. I stopped and asked her, “Do enlisted soldiers not salute officers anymore?” The Maj. with me said I didn’t have to be so aggressive about it. What’s a better way of addressing it without coming off as aggressive?
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What you did was "Segeant's Business". The Major was wrong and should not have butted in. Hopefully though you saluted the Major and said yes isir/mam, went on your business and continue doling the right thing.
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Maybe she had a bad and didn't notice the officers. Or in certain hospital areas are no salute - such as in Ft Sam when I was stationed there. Get over yourself and remember you are deal with a person. Yes, your uniform deserves the salute - sometimes the person does not - but uniform does. And learn to deal with people with respect and you will get it back - or at least your uniform will.
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Honestly you did not do anything wrong but she should been made to salute a tree until it returned her salute back.
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I would have shared my 'CHITOS' with her or...… gotten her a bunch of flowers and suggested its sheer courtesy to SALUT an officer (in a rather complimenting voice...…………….. without make a lot of 'BALLY-HOOOOO. The MAJOR was RIGHT for she …. could have something more important on her mind-
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I was fresh out of Corps School, I was really scared when I get to Bethesda Naval Hospital, one day I was in a hurry and because I was fresh I saluted anything brown, I saluted a Chief she just laughs and told me:-Shipmate, we don't salute Chiefs only officers. But we always got yelled out from officers fresh from Annapolis. In the end, we learned to recognize them and just take another route,but I think that there are better ways to correct someone than to yell on a hallway full of patients.
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I had this happen numerous times while I was a senior NCO. I was walking into our BDE HQ and a CW3 was about 10 steps in front of me. A PFC came out of the HQ and didn't salute. As the Chief turned around to say something, I said "I got it chief'. He turned around and went into the Bldg. I then reminded the PFC of basic military customs and courtesies. It should be the NCO who makes the correction if one is around. Drill Sergeants teach this in basic tng and is NCO business. I know, I know there is no such thing as NCO business (whatever), but we need to police ourselves (enlisted ranks) so our officers have the utmost trust in us.
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It would be good to pull them aside and take it as a training opportunity. Sometime soldiers especially privates just need a little help. If it was a SGT then it is different. But privates are already nervous.
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Hi Command Seargent Major (or anyone in a leadership position) do you believe in leading by example? If the person is not a leader I would ask them, "is there anything wrong with your right arm?" A salute is a military courtesy that demonstrates the importance of situational awareness, discipline, respect, leadership, and combat readiness in a high performance culture. As a civilian, I no longer salute, but I do render a cordial greeting and make eye contact with everyone that walks by me. A leader is always on display.
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Ask if it is a no salute zone. If it is a salute zone, tell the soldier they need to pull their head out of their fifth point of contact and salute an officer when within 6 paces.
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was the Army Major a doctor? Doctors frequently do not have training in military discipline. I saw this frequently as a young Marine officer back in the dark ages, as our medical personnel we re all furnished by the Navy, for which we are eternally very grateful. The Navy doctors had a much different relationship with enlisted personnel than Marine line officers did. Not saying the Major was correct but it would explain his attitude.
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The other issue may be that they saw the LT and tried to fly under the radar. I remember when I was an A1C at lackland, me and my Wingmen used to always get chased down by groups of butter bars that were fresh out of The academy. And they would harass both the Tech Schoolers and trainees. So another possibility would have been that they didn’t want it to happen again.
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I would say, “ Excuse me PFC, when was the last time you had an eye exam?” Whatever he answers, I would say, “ You need them checked again, because you past a ofr without saluting.” Unless if it’s life or death, it doesn’t require meanness or hostility. Use humor. There was an old joke about a military person coming back to base drunk. As he was stumbling down the sidewalk, he was trying to find his lighter to light his cigarette. It was very dark and he saw a figure in front of him. He said,” Hey buddy, you got a light?” The figure replied “yes” as the light from the lighter got to the military persons cigarette, to his horror, he realized it was a General. The military person snapped to attention and blubbered his apologies. The General stated, “ That ok son, just be grateful I wasn’t 2nd Lieutenant .” Sometimes we get distracted, our minds are elsewhere. If it isn’t life or death, use humor
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This boggles the mind. Since when should a SM NOT receive on-the-spot correction for something like that?! I don't thing there is any better way of addressing that. Now, had you been an NCO, the conversation probably could have been handled while the PFC was in the front-leaning rest. That's how it was handled in my day, anyhow....
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You need to correct that behavior at the time it happens and find out who there chain of command is to fix this disrespect to any officer, Some people have forgotten you salute the rank that is on the person , Also once this happens the person should be made to research the reason we salute and the history behind it, an they should be made to stand in front of there chain of command and read the history of why we salut.I myself have this happen when I was walking with a Lt and stopped the person and corrected this behavior
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A Captain was one of the reasons I left the Air Force. I had 3 days before reenlisting and I was walking to the BX at Hamilton AFB when the Captain was also walking toward the same door of the BX. I did not salute him as he was at 20 feet away from me and I would have had to turn sideways. He dressed me down because I did not salute him. He embarrassed me for that. After that I did not reenlist. He was just being an egomaniac. Of course I had no respect for him. I have a 30% disability for PTSD for assault 3 times.
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I think that sometimes, situation depending, making someone feel a little guilty or embarrassed is better than an ass chewing because they don’t want to get embarrassed or make the same mistake again.
“I’m sorry private, I must be jacked up if I don’t rate a salute. Don’t worry I’ll fix myself. As you were.”
“I’m sorry private, I must be jacked up if I don’t rate a salute. Don’t worry I’ll fix myself. As you were.”
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I think you handled it fine. Though the Major should have said excuse me PFC didn't you see the LT and I?
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