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I had posted a thread a couple of weeks ago, about going back to school. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/looking-to-complete-my-bachelors-degree-what-resources-are-out-there-for-veterans-and-federal-employees.

Upon asking around and talking to my federal colleagues, I encountered an interesting reaction. I was told to avoid online Universities such as American Military University, Kaplan, etc. I was told that hiring managers don't give folks with degrees from those schools the same weight as a traditional school such as Virginia Tech, Howard University, etc.

Has anyone else encountered this mindset? Has it been a hinderance to you? When I asked this question I asked my Division Director and the Assistant to the Administrator (my agency head). Both of which are PhDs. Is this their mindset or is this true?

Thank you in advance

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I'd agree with others that a public brick and mortar place that has an online program is a safe bet. I went to University of Maryland University College, and it's helped me be successful. I would recommend them...and if they weren't so damn pricey, I'd be looking at going back there for the second Master's degree I'm considering.
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Capt Craig Gilman
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The Society of Human Resource Management is the professional organization dealing with HR. I read a survey conducted of hiring managers in which the percentage that would hire someone with a degree from an online school was in the 90% range. A more general, recent SHRM article can provide insight that supports this, What's the Value of an Online Degree? As the article suggests, there are good and bad choices for both traditional and online delivery.

In the end, it is not much different than anything else in life, what one puts into their education, one gets out of it. A good hiring process will ultimately lead to a comprehensive interview process during which one who attended an online university and learned will be hired over one who attended a brick and mortar and didn’t.
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Capt Craig Gilman
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I have taught in both traditional, brick-and-mortar and online environments, with approximately 8 years in the later and I am here to tell you that you can get just as good an education from an online as you can brick-and-mortar. In some cases one mode of delivery might be better for particular sub-groups of students. For example, online learning does not lend itself to programs that require significant lab or clinical work. One will not become a surgeon or performing artist at an online university; at least not yet. However, for the working, professional student, the convenience of asynchronous online learning often beats the 3-hour marathon Thursday evening course in which both the teacher and students are at the end of a long day and have no choice in the matter.
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Capt Craig Gilman
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Look up the website for the Society of Human Resource Management (SHRM). This is the premier, professional organization dealing with human resources, such as hiring managers. At one point I remember reading a survey the conducted of hiring managers in which the percentage that would hire someone with a degree from an online school was in the upper end of the 90% range. A more general, recent SHRM article can provide insight that supports this, What's the Value of an Online Degree? As the article suggests, there are good and bad choices for both traditional and online delivery. A good hiring manager will know what schools to avoid.

I have taught in both traditional, brick-and-mortar and online environments, with approximately 8 years in the later and I am here to tell you that you can get just as good an education from an online as you can brick-and-mortar. In some cases one mode of delivery might be better for particular sub-groups of students. For example, online learning does not lend itself to programs that require significant lab or clinical work. One will not become a surgeon or performing artist at an online university; at least not yet. However, for the working, professional student, the convenience of asynchronous online learning often beats the 3-hour marathon Thursday evening course in which both the teacher and students are at the end of a long day and have no choice in the matter.
In the end, it is not much different than anything else in life, what one puts into their education, one gets out of it. A good hiring process will ultimately lead to a comprehensive interview process during which one who attended an online university and learned will be hired over one who attended a brick and mortar and didn’t.
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MAJ Bill Maynard
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Because there are "pay the fee, get the B" schools in both traditional and online schools, but I would guess the percentage of subpar schools online is much higher.
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1LT Ryan Millican
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There are some managers out there that say they don't like online colleges, but honestly in my opinion and some HR managers that I know, online universities show more self-discipline, since you're pretty much teaching yourself and have to be more self reliant than if you were in a traditional brick and mortar store.
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If a hiring manager cannot give me credit for utilizing 2 out of my 4 hours of free time each day to do online classes, then I don't think we are a good fit. I think it speaks more of you that you were able to do more than one thing at a time and achieve success. Anybody can go to school full-time (with the money) and get a degree without any other obligations.
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That's a very valid point CW2 (Join to see). I'm running across snobbery it seems from my higher ups who are PhDs from Ivy League schools.
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To them I say, "I am sorry that I don't have the time or money to have that same opportunity that you did, but in the end we learned the same information (to those in the same field)."
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In addition to your question. I plan to take a few classes through AMU so that when I transfer to a 4 year university in Janruary of 2016 I will have enough credits to be a transfer student instead of a incoming freshman. Since i am just using AMU for a few credits would those credits be useless for a hiring manager when looking at them and pretty much be a waste of money or would it not matter in the end because my degree was from a University?
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That's a good question. I think it's mixed based on the responses here. I'm not sure what to tell you PFC (Join to see)
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CMSgt Danny Roby
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PFC... First, please ensure that the credits you are taking at AMU will in fact apply toward the degree you want to take at the school you plan on transferring to. Normally, that is an easy question for the university to answer. Secondly, if you are just going to take transfer credits and not receive your degree at AMU, register as an "undergraduate courses for transfer" student. That way you won't need to take the COLL100 Foundations of Online Learning Course. (27 year CMSgt and member of AMU staff).
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PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels
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Make sure they are one of the best schools.

http://www.thebestschools.org/rankings/best-online-colleges/
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PV2 Edward Elkins
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I found that there was a lot of cruddy tech schools and community colleges out there who were not really going to get me the education or funding I needed to get a good education. After 3 years of a community college and still no degree with hippie doctorate teachers who had long hair down to their buttocks, I decided to look into an online degree. After spending thousands on a 2 year transfer degree that was taking way to long because I changed my training path do to shortage of funds. I started out in flight school through the community college. I turned my GI Bill extension papers in a month to early and they stopped the GI Bill . So I sought more affordable schooling. When I looked online I first found a non accredited resource called universalclass.com awesome courses but you don't get accreditation. If you are looking for business knowledge or to up your general education knowledge for 185 dollars you get all the classes you can take in a year with no time limits on them, for a little over 200 you get all you can take in 2 years unlimited classes. If you go to WGU.edu it is ranked number one amongst the veteran association among veterans. I enrolled with WGU and it is awesome. It is regionally accredited , you pay by the term, it costs 6000 a year for a business degree , around the same for nursing , education, or IT degrees. That is about the same price as you get a Pell Grant for so you don't need loans and don't need a GI Bill. The books are ebooks unless you want to order regular texts. 5 day's a week you have access to tutors who will go over every question on your assignments with you, the grading is all rubics , so you have to get a grade that is considered B or 80's percent on all final tests, your grade is completely based on the final exam of each course not the assignments. You get 6 months to finish all your courses each term, you can finish them in a week which is not impossible, and on subjects you know well you can test out of the class. There is no bull, you get a mentor who calls you once a week and gets you on track, its not a harassment they really help you figure out what you need to do each week to get your assignments done or take the tests. You won't get that attention in any college. You also have Cohorts that are on going for each course with live interactive virtual classrooms, the finals are proctored exams with webcam or you can take them at a local university if they participate in the proctoring program. so basically for free you get an accredited degree and they have masters programs that are very affordable compared to other regionally accredited schools. Western Governors University
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