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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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- Legally. Unfortunately nothing. Lying is not a crime unless it is under oath. Then it is called perjury not lying.
- Employment. Unfortunately nothing. Once upon a time this would have resulted in termination of employment due to loss of trust in the individual and loss of credibility for the organization that employs him/her.
- Culturally. Unfortunately nothing. Our culture today likes to forgive / forget if one apologies regardless of the severity of the offense. Peer pressure and public shaming are powerful tools that we do not use effectively anymore.
- Logically. Does anyone really believe Brian Williams explanation? It was 12 years ago and I told the story so many times that I became confused in my own mind. Translation: I lied so many times over the last 12 years that I started to believe my own lies until I was called out by someone who was actually there and knew I was full of shit. My bad. Sorry.
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PO3 Anthony Williams
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his integrity is in question and besides being grounded and sent to his room what else could we want his 1 st born ? he wanted the respect of service members and america , no , he shouldnt be fired he should be offered his resignation better yet he on his own he should retire
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PFC Seth Bair
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He had a story: I was in the bird behind the bird that got hit. They went down and had a bad time. The end. That's not a great story. "I was in a bird that got hit, we went down and spent a harrowing day in a battle zone"...that is a story that sells more, he's in the business of selling stories. Sure, it's shitty that he lied, but I can't blame the guy for spicing up a story to make more money.
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SFC Jason Milliman
SFC Jason Milliman
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I think if you "can't blame the guy for lying" then you're a piece of shit like he is. Too many fellow veterans lost their lives and their "way of life" because of REAL encounters to allow some piece of shit like Brian Williams to lie in order to "make more money" or some other lame excuse. You can certainly "understand" why he did it and STILL condem him for it. He should have been fired for ethical misconduct.
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SGT Russell Telker
SGT Russell Telker
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Being that he's in the public eye, we would like to think he's held to a higher standard, but that's not the case anymore. I would like to see him not on camera anymore but don't think that'll happen.
As for stories, I've fucked up there too, most of us likely have, some to a greater degree than others. I was called out publicly for mine, made my apologies, and have moved on as best I can. It's not a question of "will someone make a mistake", it's a question of what they will do after?
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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Similar to Hillary Clinton's changing the facts about coming under attack a few years ago...

If this had been Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity, the press would be calling for their heads. Can you just imagine if Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck had done this?

Yet another example of the media bias... Although I think this may be far from over. Let's hope that is the case.
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LCDR Lawrence Maclin
LCDR Lawrence Maclin
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I REALLY wish you people quit making this a liberal/conservative issue - IT'S NOT!
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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It is absolutely a liberal/conservative issue. The liberal media is biased about its reporting. If Williams had been a conservative, the media would be after his head instead of making excuses for him.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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Here's an example of liberal propaganda lies. After the Boston bombings the LIBERAL lie machine blamed it on "tea party terrorists". Yet said nothing when they turned out to be Muslims. They were even more silent when they turned out to be registered DEMOCRATS!!!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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When you mentioned Hillary I guess We were both thinking in the same grain, an individual that constantly lies to the degree She doesn't even know the difference. She certainly isn't someone to follow and that basically is what He was starting to do honesty wise although He would still have to set records for being a habitual liar to even approach what She did and does on a regular basis. That by the way wasn't a defense for Him, He was still wrong and should be ashamed of Himself for that act.
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CPT Jack Durish
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I believe he is sorry, very sorry... for being caught.

He says he wasn't attempting to steal valor... but he stole valor.

Brian Williams is the archetype of journalist that dominates the media since the 1960s.

The journalists we remember and admire from an earlier age grew up in newsrooms as newsboys, paperboys, and printer's devils. They got their hands dirty sweeping floors, helping print papers, and delivering them to doorsteps. Those with talent and intelligence rose through the ranks writing stories. Beginning with obituaries, they advanced as they demonstrated ability.

Today's journalists don't deserve the name. They are graduates of colleges where they were indoctrinated rather than educated, and the stories they file reflect this. This is why so many have turned away from traditional media and get their news elsewhere. Thanks to the Internet there are lots of "elsewhere" to get it...
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I just don't get it. I remember every attack in Iraq, they are printed in my brain like a scar. I was very blessed to be able to come home without a scratch and live a normal life. I don't like to talk about it and I don't like war movies or books. I felt like he did not steal valor but he stole from all those who have lived or not through these experiences and made it look like nothing just another bit of news. Apologizing was even worst; nothing that comes out of his reports will be ever taken seriously and I would hate for him to be on the front lines reporting the fight, because he doesn't deserve to be next to the fighting troops.
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It seems that politicians and journalist want to steal valor. From Vietnam with purple hearts, to have to run from helicopters in Bosnia under gun fire.

And Cpt Jack you are correct, the days of watching the evening news and seeing the facts and being able to determine what is true is over. Each of the news media have their own agenda and will fire employees who do not comply with the false information being passed, to influence elections, policies, and law. Journalist need to get back to merely reporting the facts without their bias.
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PV2 Jondalar Cook
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all my life I wanted to be a soldier and I made it to the show ( basic training and ait) but due to an anatomical quirk I was honorable discharge without having ever served a day over seas I freely admit that but this discussion over whether or not this man stole valor is upsetting to say the least I wish nothing more than that I could have gone there and done my job but was unable to and this loser claims to have gotten under fire and lied? im sorry to you gentleman that served over there I guess I honestly don't deserve to has my voice heard but it makes me sick that anyone would claim to have been through something like that and be nothing but a bold faced liar ive seen this in front of me before and it always makes me angry that people get away with it but that is just one failed soldiers opinion
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SGT Scott Jacobs
SGT Scott Jacobs
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I really don;t know what Army you guys were in? How about all the MSM's given out post deployment for the guys in the air conditioned hooches? Did they steal your valor, the Office who was stateside for 99% of the deployment, then shows up for 3 days and get's his CAB, MSM or LOM. C'mon man...NOT just Liberals.
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What should happen to Brian Williams after lying about coming under fire?
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Receiving direct fire from rockets while traveling in a helicopter is not something that one "misremembers".
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SPC Robert Rock
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Agreed ...
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SFC Mark Merino
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It remains VERY clear.
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Pvt Richard Hy
Pvt Richard Hy
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Hillary also 'Misremembered' coming under fire. She also remembers (or not) having 'mis-spoke' several times and is subject to short term memory loss (i.e. any associated rumor or half truth or Bengazzi or ......) "But what difference does it make now? That was then" right folks?!?!? Did I mention she wants to be President? Commander in Chief? But I digress.........
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SFC Frank Hartley
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Yeah, you just don't forget coming under fire. The guy is a class A liberal moron.
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Donald trump youre fired
I wish fb and rp did animated gif :p
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SFC Frank Hartley
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he definitely needs to be fired. Him and the rest of his ilk.
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SFC Mark Merino
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He said "You're Fired"....lol. Priceless.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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First, what Williams done is a slap in the face to every military person that is actually in harms way. Secondly, as a journalist, I am sickened that he would fall in line with the likes of Stephen Glass and Dan Rather in fabricating stories.

If Brian Williams does not step down, NBC should fire him. This is not what journalism is, and historically, it is the unpardonable sin for journalists.
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Pvt Richard Hy
Pvt Richard Hy
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Should be against the law to fabricate war experience the same as impersonating an officer or service member. He should be removed from position and barred from military access. Disgraceful!
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SSG Robert Mustain Since you put it that way, we could add most COMMENTATORS from FOX, MSNBC, and CNN. The difference is, that is all they are, they are not news anchors, however, Williams is a news anchor and was once a reporter. The standard for him is substantially higher than that of a commentator.

Anyone who thinks O'Rielly is a news person is mistaken. He makes his money to offer opinion based on how he interprets the news.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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The main thing about lying, you have to cover it up with another lie, and another one, then somewhere down the line you will forget some of the lies. It ain't worth the embarrassment, the price is too high for attention.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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SFC William Laws.....I totally agree with your wife!
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COL Doctoral Candidate In Emergency Management
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Something we all learn in kindergarten right?
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MSG Floyd Williams
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COL Alicia GB Smith.... This is a hard lesson don't allow yourself to be desperate to climb up to a higher status.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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Legally, nothing since it isn't really illegal to lie as he did. I thnk we should recognize the complete lack of standards at networks like NBC/MSNBC. You might recall NBC's medical reporter is the one that came back and violated her Ebola quarantine. She should know better. She still works at NBC after a ridiculous non apology. Brian Williams will continue to work there too. In a business (News/Journalism) where intergrity, honesty & straight dealing should be the order of the day it clearly is not at NBC.
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CPT Hhc Company Commander
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While I agree with the lack of standards, I will say that the "violation of Ebola quarantine" part was really a non-issue that was turned into an issue by the hyper-alarmist mainstream media. How nobody came by and really talked about the way that Ebola works has continued to astound me. She was asymptomatic which means she was not contagious, and she was not traveling near public areas. Her only medical diagnosis was stupidity...not because she was contagious, but because it was CLEARLY evident that the majority of the nation was on the verge of hysteria. "Poking the paranoid bear" is not ever a good idea. Then to come back and say "I knew what I was doing." Come on....do people listen when they are terrified?

The risk to the United States from an Ebola outbreak has never reached even a small statistical reality. The media tried to draw parallels to the outbreak in Africa, but failed to make multiple connections. 1.) This region of Africa doesn't trust it's medical system. 2.) Infectivity and severity of symptoms are directly proportional. No symptoms=not contagious. Bleeding out every orifice/dead=very contagious. Simple as that. 3.) It is not airborne and outside of the body is VERY unstable. Most studies showed that the virus will not last longer than a few hours unless contained in body fluid at a temp above 76*F, additionally the virus can be killed by a 10% bleach solution OR alcohol based hand sanitizers.

Don't get me wrong....I'd love to see Mr Williams fired for his actions, and I believe that she was an idiot to break her quarantine in a time of mass hysteria, but the threat to the public was virtually nonexistent. I just wanted to clarify the misconceptions.

(I have been involved in the Mayo Clinic Ebola Preparedness and Training program, investing more than 80 hours in training the medical staff responsible for it. Additionally, I have researched the disease when this all came out, as I'm generally skeptical of any "major" scare that the media puts out....plus at the time I was a Platoon Leader and responsible for medical readiness. I wanted to do my own research to form an opinion. This information was validated by the CDC, WHO, Doctors Without Borders, and various epidemiologists at the Mayo Clinic where I work.)
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Cpl Jeff N.
Cpl Jeff N.
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Jonathan, she was asymptomatic because she was still in the incubation period for the disease hence the quarantine. The quarantine allows enough time to pass so we can be sure you do not have the disease. The reason we have quarantine's is to protect against the spread of disease, in this case a very fatal one. The bottom line is she was under a quarantine, she violated it, she is somoene, as a doctor, that should have understood the risk and the perception.

If we have folks that decide when they will break a quarantine we could have problems down the road. People in the medical field should be setting a good example of following the protocals whatever they may be.
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Pvt Richard Hy
Pvt Richard Hy
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Amen Cpl Neely, Without order there is disorder. Without discipline, there is no discipline. Without responsibility........
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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When you read the article, you will find he can't even correct his lie! He is really setting the standard for the main stream news media. He was on a chopper alright, just one that landed about an hour later. He can't even apology without a lie.
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SFC Frank Hartley
SFC Frank Hartley
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They lie about the lies then try to cover it all up with more lies.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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SGT Ben Keen
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I heard about this on the radio while driving. I think his excuse of "confusing aircraft" makes it worse. How anyone can confuse such an event is beyond me.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
LCpl Steve Wininger
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SGT Ben Keen We had that same discussion in my journalism and reporting classes today. He just needs to step down. What he did does not just affect him and NBC, it affects all journalists. Our ratings are as low as Congress, and it is people like this that are destroying the credibility of journalism.
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