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I have no negative marks on my record and have been in the army for over two years.
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PO2 Tom Hauser
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I received several shots and pills prior to deployment to Vietnam. I didn't contract Malaria or come down with any "disease" but I did end up with double viral pneumonia and almost died. I was put in a room with 5 beds occupied by wounded Soldier and Marines and a RN sitting in the middle 24/7 watching over us. Two days later I woke up with a nurse holding my hand - she told me I had made it - the other men wounded in combat did not. I did not question the shots I received from the Navy Corpsman prior to deployment and trusted in the good faith of the Navy doctors and corpsmen that administered those shots. Today, we have a politicized military. We have a fucking asshole at JCOS who has bragged that he told the Chinese Communists that he would give them a "heads up" if we were to attack them. We now have another incompetent Negro asshole racist as SECDEV who is mandating that the military conduct Marxist propaganda CRT training for our military designed to denigrate our country, create more racial tension in the military, and undermine the morale and effectiveness of the U.S. military in all branches of service. This politicization of the military in its upper echelon of the chain of command has ended the careers of outstanding military officers who have not subordinated their integrity and military oath by supporting the politicization of our military by these fucking Democrat shit bird sycophants at JCOS or SECDEV. I served six years total in the Navy (4 years active duty) - got promoted to E-5 in federal service and then served 9 years with Texas Military Forces (6 years active duty) - got promoted to 04 in state military service. As a prior service military enlisted and as an officer I can understand the confusion, distrust, anger, and unwillingness of our military personnel today when it comes to COVID. First - Fauci and the NIH helped Communist China fund "gain of function" research at the Level 4 Wuhan Institute of Virology Laboratory in Wuhan, China. That research allowed the CCP to covertly manipulate this research to produce a biological WMD. According to a Chinese scientist with access to the CCP's covert program, infected Wuhan laboratory personnel were flown into major population areas throughout the West. Their mission was very simple - infect the most vulnerable population in the U.S., EU, Australia, UK, etc. which would destroy or cripple their economies and murder millions of people in the process. While this attack was executed the CCP had already stockpiled millions of PPE equipment to protect their own population. China Joe Biden and Hunter Biden have been on the CCP payroll looking after China's interests for over two decades receiving payoffs for their influence. So, how do you trust a fucking asshole like Biden who is a paid traitor for China who has just announced he is abandoning Taiwan and respect his decision and SECDEF's decision to mandate vaccines. Vaccines that Fauci had invested in prior to the world-wide pandemic for a virus he helped an enemy of the United States to develop. So, this is not about disobeying a direct order - this is about the politicizing of our military to follow a traitor in the White House and their willing sycophant traitors in the Pentagon who are both incompetent and untrustworthy with the national security of the United States. In my educated opinion, you must discharge our military personnel who refuse to comply with the politicized vaccine mandate with a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions!
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CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton
CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton
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Sir, we must agree to disagree.
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PO2 Tom Hauser
PO2 Tom Hauser
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Focus! Biden and JCOS are now kicking out US military and National Guard personnel for not getting a vaccine for a virus developed by the Chinese Communist military as a biological WMD and paid for by Biden's Dr. Fauci and NIH with U.S. taxpayer dollars with a net result of people dying daily from this vaccine and millions killed with many of western economies hurt. Today, we have Biden and the Democrats selling our Strategic National Defense oil reserves to our enemies Russia and China directly and indirectly. We now have Biden and the Democrats cutting our military personnel numbers, training time, military assets, ships, planes etc. to weaken our defense capability and our ability to defend the country or fight two wars on different fronts. This is right after we left billions of dollars of lethal U.S. weapons and equipment to the Islamic terrorist Taliban along with airstrips capable of handling long range bombers that are now occupied by China. Meanwhile, Iran, Russia and China are holding war games in Latin America and the Caribbean designed to attack the United States. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of unvetted threats to our national security, public safety and public health including Islamic Jihadist terrorists are pouring across our Southern border and are being accommodated by the Democrats. I served six years with the Texas Rangers as an Intel Officer for Texas Border Security at various JOIC's and the BSOC. Besides assisting in narcotics and human smuggling interdictions we assisted in the capture of Islamic terrorists including several Iranian Quds Force operatives that were attempting to egress after they had collected intel on Texas oil and natural gas pipelines, a nuclear power plant near Houston, and several refineries and chemical plants. Those Soleimani terrorist assholes were apprehended and immediately shipped to GITMO. Obama had them released back to Iran his last week in office. CMSgt I respect your rank, I respect your service, but what I don't respect is your evident lack of situation awareness. When you have some asshole at JCOS telling the world he would give China a heads-up if we attacked, when you have some racist asshole SECDEF who is insisting on indoctrinating the officer corps, our military academies and our enlisted military personnel with Marxist racist propaganda designed to hurt morale and create racial tensions in the ranks then you need to reassess what the fuck you are thinking. The Democrat Party is the party of treason, RINO's Republicans are just as bad - so what is our alternative? If you are Black and want change start voting for Black Republicans who are not RINO's. The bottom line is we need to support core values, the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution while targeting and replacing those politicians, bureaucrats, agency heads, and military personnel who do not! We are already in a culture war of good vs. evil - so pick your side - because when the shit hits the fan domestically it will get bloody. Which is exactly what our enemies support and if you haven't figured it out by now that financial support for this insurgency is coming in part from Iran, the CCP, and Russia because it is the constituencies of the Democrat Party that consist of Islamic Jihadists, socialists, communists, Marxists, fascists, Nazis, KKK, and domestic terrorist groups like ANTIFA and BLM that are now fully engaged in destroying our country.
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SrA Scott Baer
SrA Scott Baer
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PO2 Tom Hauser - Damn shame Tom your insightfulness isn't far more appreciated. Either many are put off by the wordiness (needed without doubt) or are full TARD indoctrinated.. The more of us who not only served but appreciate what being a patriot encompasses, the better the odds of getting America back to a kickass proud nation.. This hot bullshit mess is full of RINO/treasonous pos anti Americans who have been trained since elementary to hate patriotism.. God help us all as these upcoming elections/SELECTIONS will tell all as to the direction we are headed..
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SrA Scott Baer
SrA Scott Baer
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SrA Steve Jann - Damn shame Steve your insightfulness isn't far more appreciated. Either many are put off by the wordiness (needed without doubt) or are full TARD indoctrinated.. The more of us who not only served but appreciate what being a patriot encompasses, the better the odds of getting America back to a kickass proud nation.. This hot bullshit mess is full of RINO/treasonous pos anti Americans who have been trained since elementary to hate patriotism.. God help us all as these upcoming elections/SELECTIONS will tell all as to the direction we are headed.. Purposely resent the same post but changed the name as a few of you get it and sucks not being appreciated far more which is scary AF...
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PFC Edgar Mosier
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I'd ask, "Have you gotten a profile for the influenza or simular immunization?"
When I was Active Duty, I received such.
Now, I cannot have the VA give me a pneumonia vaccine, a shingles vaccine, nor a covid vaccine.
They cannot take the risk.
Worse, no one knows how any possible pill-based anti-viral may be for folk like me.
But, Brother, stand your ground; in 1979, there was no Combat (nor Fatigue) nor PTSD, so, when I lost a baby and a little brother... It was Chapter 13 territory.
With my "Under Honorable Conditions" DD-214, it's taken a Senator and 42 years to receive any benefit compensation.
This, we will defend!
And, yes, I am a Peacetime Veteran, a Cold War Veteran, and my Oath Of Enlistment still hasn't ended.
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SrA Scott Baer
SrA Scott Baer
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Struggling to come up with any words that could make any difference for the hell you suffered Edgar but do hope you found a way to cope..Same with Peacetime vet, Cold War and very much ditto on OE never ending.. My battle with the VA carries (pales in comparison to your own) on which was beginning to pick up steam under Trump but no chance in hell do I believe I'll get help under this corrupted regime..Take damn good care...
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PFC Edgar Mosier
PFC Edgar Mosier
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SrA Scott Baer - My Friend and Battle-Mate As "Peacetime Veterans, we may never have physically fought even a skirmish, but I would challenge any battle-harden <and, often more respected> Veteran to claim that we never prepared, stood at the ready, or that we didn't stand our ground, each declaring, as our separate, but allied Branches and Commands first stated via their mottos, "This We Will Defend."
I respect any woman or man that would offer up their health, life, family, dreams, for people that they have never met.
Now, let me share with you a secret that Mom, a warrior that as a single woman raised five youngsters to adulthood, showed me: Sometimes, it's not the power you have, but rather the power that you attempt to bring to the fray.
It took me 42 years to get some relief from the VA, but I was armed with the facts, knew where they could be dug up and presented to others, and how to ask my Senator to question the VA.
I am glad that we have strong Senators in Florida and "YES", if Ol' Forty-Five does actually toss his hat in the ring, again, then again I'll try to welcome back a Champion Commandeering Chief that doesn't feel he needs to educate his Troops, Cadets, and Officers, as if he believes they are too dense to know his Rank and Title.
God Bless Your VA Endeavors, and may He have St. Michael open that front for you.
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SrA Scott Baer
SrA Scott Baer
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Honored to have read, honored to have met..Be good and hopefully healthy brother...
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PO3 JamiSue Moore
PO3 JamiSue Moore
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That Cold War wasn't so cold and peaceful like they love to claim it was.
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GySgt Mike Rock
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Lol two tears in a bucket…. F@?k it. If 6 shoots of anthrax didn’t kill me stop being a p@$$y and fallow orders. There is a reason you raised your right hand, and there is a reason you raise it every time you get promoted. Just FYI from a Crusty of Marine Corps Gunny.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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MSG Harvey Kane - See that's a nice try on the Nebraska Medicine article. However my assertion is that Covid Viral Spike Proteins DO NOT AND HAVE NOT EVER existed in a person who has not been exposed to the virus or vaccine. That's why I refer to them as 'foreign' proteins. Your article talks about spike protein excretion AFTER vaccination.

Would you like to know a vaccine that I can 100%, unequivocally, PROMISE you that I can stand behind and would take your side with the vaccine mandate argument on? It's also at the same Nebraska Medicine Omaha page. Look up Novavax on that page. It statisfies EVERY scientific, moral and ethical qualm I have with Covid Vaccinations but for SOME reason they can't get out of clinical trials 2 years into Covid when it only took the new technology 9 months AND it's approved in the EU... curious...

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/moths-and-tree-bark-how-the-novavax-vaccine-works
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MSG Harvey Kane
MSG Harvey Kane
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Your questioning seems to revolve around long term studies. Do you think there were long term studies for smallpox in 1780s? Or for that matter the polio vaccine? There were not but a sample of some 1.8 million were given the vaccine. We have given the three flavors of the covid vac to some 100 million. Of course you know that aspirin was never tested!!! In short as my old sgt used to say: when you're up to you ass in alligators it is hard to remember that your job was to drain the swamp!
I think using the term fast track muddies the waters. The drug that was really fast tracked was penicillin because it was needed to treat wounded soldiers. What bothers me is the high amount of misinformation regarding the covid vacs. The doubt cast because it uses a new technology is ridiculous. You are using medical technology today that never existed in Vietnam. We had x rays then but can you imagine telling someone that their molecules were going to be magnetized and rearranged so the one can see inside the body!! Longitudinal studies regarding drugs are carried out after the drug is introduced into the general population. Pharmacogenetics is to a degree lessening the malicious impact of a new drug but not ending it.
I don't know what you do in the Army, but if someone said to you I am going to put you in an airplane throw you out the door but have no fear there is a pack on your back inside of which is a silk cloth which will deploy when you pull this string and you will float to the ground you would say no not me let that guy over there do it!
In short, the new vacs produced in the west are safe and are both saving peoples lives and if after taken one gets covid makes chances of survival high and diminishes the effect of the disease on the body.
I enjoyed this conversation.
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MSG Harvey Kane
MSG Harvey Kane
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SPC Jeremy A - Phase three finished in Jun of 2021 I think the delay on other vacs took about 6 months after clinical.
https://www.beckmancoulter.com/en/clinical-studies-and-trends?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0J6OgvD19AIVwbeGCh222QGKEAAYASAAEgJ
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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MSG Harvey Kane - Most stories I read say it was approved in EU VERY recently (within a week). I haven't kept up with at much as I should, full disclosure. I'm excited for it to come out and to have an option that I can stand behind in every aspect.
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SrA Weston James
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I understand your problem. I think it’s a crappy problem at that. Let’s not forget that this isn’t really a vaccine and the changed the definition for it to fit. Remember how long it was called the “flu SHOT”. Vaccines prevent you from getting. This joke of jab doesn’t prevent anything. I hate this decision you have to make under tyrannical circumstances. Good luck and it will only hurt you if you try to work at Starbucks or some super liberal company. Most people and companies that have people who actually work will not mind your decision at all and some will even respect it. Anyone that says you’re stupid for doing it is clown shoes and you shouldn’t listen to them. Funny how you weren’t even allowed to refuse the others but this one you can.
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CPL Bruce Ailiff
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I am willing to hire any Veteran discharged for not vaxing.
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PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder
PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder
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Good luck to him if he takes your advice. N
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SFC Scott Higgins
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Well, let me ask you two question,
1. When are you allowed to disobey orders?
2. Did you refuse any of the vaccines you previously were ordered to get?
If you can answer to number one, "Anytime I don't agree with them." Then probably a general discharge. Otherwise dishonorable.
For number two if you didn't refuse any previous vaccinations, then I would imagine dishonorable.
Remember you took an oath, you can't pick and choose the orders you follow.
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SGT David Sievers
SGT David Sievers
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I'll counter your question with one of my own, do you believe that UCMJ supersedes international law specifically the Nuremberg code?
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SFC Larry Greenlee
SFC Larry Greenlee
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1. When are you allowed to disobey orders? A. When they are illegal orders.
2. Did you refuse any of the vaccines you previously were ordered to get? A: Yes, never took a flu shot among others. Next?
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SFC Larry Greenlee
SFC Larry Greenlee
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"Obeying Orders" were defenses tried by the Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials and Lt Calley at the Mỹ Lai massacre. It is a soldiers DUTY to recognize and DISOBEY an illegal order.
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SGT Charles Bartell
SGT Charles Bartell
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Simple answer to your first question is: When the order is not a legal or legitimate one. in witch this COVID-19 is not. No matter what some ones political beliefs are.
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SN Kristi Kalis
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It SHOULD be other than honorable since you are wasting the time and money spent to train you and decreasing the overall readiness of your unit. You crybabies underwent a litany of vaccines already, but now it's waaah for the COVID vaccine. I am glad you won't be counted among the honorable service members who serve their country by fulfilling their contract obligations.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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SN Kristi Kalis - "clinical trials", mRNA vaccine platforms", "clinical trials", "a recent study", "recently described", "recent study", "recent report", "proof-of-concept studies" "preclinical and clinical data" I definitely notice a theme here...

You didn't list a single FDA approved mRNA vaccine in that hot mess of copy pasta. If you were a scholar you would recognize that you have to site your sources here's ONE you used...

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
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SN Kristi Kalis
SN Kristi Kalis
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SPC Jeremy A - I never said I was a scholar, just like you aren't. I regurgitated a lot of nonsense for you since you are unwilling to do your own research. That's how I keep idiots busy, lol. Also, you totally missed the mRNA approved injections that were mentioned. I'm done with you, btw. You are a waste of time.
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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And you STILL haven't listed a single mRNA based FDA vaccine. Of course as someone who never said she was a scholar that part doesn't surprise me. You're 'keeping me busy' was a 30 second google of the first paragraph and copy/paste of the article you ripped off. If anything you are right, you wasted my time. You were never interested in having a serious conversation about the science. You've done nothing but denigrate me as a person. Here's a word and definition as I know looking up things isn't your strong point, Troglodyte: a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.
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SGT System Administrator
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Bur those vaccines have been tested and proven safe, this one, despite the fda approval of the formula not available everywhere, is currently still under world wide trials.
That's the issue, this Vax magically appeared with little to no real testing.
And yes, side effects matter. Covid may fade, but the potential damage can be life long.
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MSG John Duchesneau
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You will probably get either an honorable or an under honorable conditions (general).
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MSG Intelligence Analyst
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I believe General but under honorable conditions. I got the jab but I sympathize with servicemen and women who don’t want it.

Unfortunately, I am not in charge. The brass and commander in chief have ordered it.

I hope no one loses their benefits, and I hope you change your mind.
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SGT Charles Bartell
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Since this so called Vaccine Is not proven to stop any one from getting COVID-19, Or stop the spread from a person that has COVID-19 to another person.
But it is A political Issue that people use to force there way on to other's.
So expect at a minimum a Chapter 13. Then with the power's that be Biden whould have these that do not get the so called vaccine in to Detention camp's like the American Japanese where put in to camp's.
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SrA Barbara Johnson
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Dishonorable! When you raised your hand and took that oath of enlistment you officially became "government property"...end of discussion! You go out and get a sunburn one time too many and you could be brought up on charges for "destruction of government property." But now you want to tell that same government that you're not going to be vaccinated. Why the hell not?? And please don't give me any if that foolish argument that it's too new, or that they haven't studied the matter long enough. I don't want to call you an idiot so I guess I'll just call you a damn idiot. That is the most non researched answer I've heard in a while...at least since yesterday. The truth is the Corona family of viruses have been in the labs being studied and researched for cures (by folks wayyyyy smarter than you) for decades. And thank God medical advances allowed doctors and scientists from around the world to come together on this one cause to get us a vaccine in record time. But again, they've been researching the characteristics of Corona literally for years. I bet you've swallowed all kinds of crazy stuff in your young life and never once considered the components. But suddenly, and quite stupidly you consider wreaking havoc on your life because of political bulls___. While you're at it I've got a beautiful piece of swamp land I'd like to sell you. Do yourself a favor genius...roll up your sleeve and take the damn shot!!
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SPC Jeremy A
SPC Jeremy A
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No other vaccine ever developed works the way the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines work. Every other vaccine works by introducing dead virus particles or synthesized viral parts into your bloodstream and letting your bodies natural immune response react to it. THIS IS THE FIRST time a vaccine has operated by insertion of created genetic material into human cells, then letting those cells create the proteins that material codes for then releasing those proteins into the blood stream. This IS genetic manipulation. IT IS new, it WAS fast tracked, and there's NO history on long term effects. SO If YOU have a better explanation of this vaccine works or if I'm incorrect about ANYTHING then by all means call me an 'idiot' but I'm not. I'm willing to bet I've got more coursework in Virology, Cellular Biology, Epidemiology and Organic Chemistry than YOU do.

This is a BIOETHICS issue and it is NOT being approached as such. It's never hard to see who would have complied without question because that's what the government wanted and any other idea was just "political bulls___" in 1939.
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