Posted on Mar 11, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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This question is for our Vietnam era Veterans here on RallyPoint. Share with us what your feelings were when you first received and opened your draft notice.

The Comments Here are Historical and Awesome!

What was your stance on the war? Explain your opinion

Did your parents put ideas into your head about the war that you didn't nessisarly believe in?
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CW4 John Loftice
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I knew my draft notice was coming but at 19 I just wanted to get it over with so it was a bit of fear of the unknown and relief in that it had finally arrived and we're going to get this done.

Like most 19 year olds, I only knew of the war what I saw on TV. But I never let that bother me one way or the other and it was never discussed in our home.

My parents didn't try to put any ideas in my head nor did anyone when I grew up in Colorado. Those of us going were following in the footsteps of parents or uncles from WWII so going to the service was more of an honor than anything else at the time. But that's the way people thought where I was raised.

Once at Ft Bliss I took the aptitude exams and learned I could go to OCS or Flight School as a warrant. I chose the latter which turned into 22.5 years of service. 2 tours in Vietnam, one flying Cobra's with 1/4 Cav, 1st ID (Low Level Hell book is my first 3 months) and the second flying RU-21's in the 146th AVN Co for 6 months then off to Udorn, Thailand with the 7th RRFS. I was at Ft Hood twice, 5 years in the 82nd ABN with the Cav where we got in on the Grenada fiasco then it was off to Germany for my final assignment with 2ACR.

As I look back over the years I realize that getting drafted probably saved me. Not sure what would have happened had I not been drafted. I was drifting at the time I was drafted with no clear goals or direction. Army life was good for me and I wouldn't change a thing.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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CW4 John Loftice Outstanding Service record - thanks for sharing yoru story and thanks for your service!
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SPC Clayton Ellzey
SPC Clayton Ellzey
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Hello fellow Dragoon did you fly Red catcher mission on the border .
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SGT Brian Foley
SGT Brian Foley
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Tojours Pret!
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SFC Rollie Hubbard
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I was in the reception station at Ft. Dix, NJ when I called home in the evening when my Mom told me I had gotten drafted LOL I did not really know what to do about it so I told the 1SG he took care of it for me while he was laughing really hard. Never heard another thing from anyone about it again.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SFC Rollie Hubbard Thanks for your service - I don't think we can say that enough to those individuals that were drafted or volunteered enough in my lifetime and the lifetime of others!
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SN Willaim Gale
SN Willaim Gale
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I joined the Navy right out of high school in 1958 but didn't go to boot camp until Jan 19, 1959
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LCpl Thomas Wernig
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I had just gotten home from Vietnam and discharged from Chelsea Naval Hospital in a wheelchair and the draft people came to my house to tell my Dad that I had to come down and sign up for the draft board. My old man being a Marine tore them a new xxxhole and told them his other 2 sons were also Marines serving already. I just busted up laughing in the background. 0311 Vietnam 1970.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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Thank you for your service Marine! Great dad that you had!
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Cpl Vic Burk
Cpl Vic Burk
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Don't you know they people who came to arrest "Draft dodgers" had to feel like real a$$holes when they found you had already enlisted.
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Cpl Dennis F.
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Morons!!!! I was on a small, 3 man. hill top observation post south of Danang. I told the Top that I had to go home. "Why's that?"," I gotta report to the draft office.". " get the fuck outta my office!"
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CW4 Jim Webb
CW4 Jim Webb
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How did MY First Sergeant end up in YOUR Marine Corps?
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Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter
Cpl Kenneth Ledbetter
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Sounds like everyone had the same 1st Sgt. I was in college playing football and majoring in drinking beer when the lottery started. I was number 202, I would never been drafted by my draft board, so I volunteered for the USMC on an aviation guarantee, I wanted to fly, I never flew, I was stuck in a paraloft all day long, it sucked.
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GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax
GySgt Gunnar Ulfsax
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MSG Frederick Otero Hell, when I first put my NCO Blood Stripe on, my Co GySgt told me “ if your not getting thrown out of the 1stSgt’s office once a week, then your not taking care of your troops properly”! Lol
Then when I became Co GySgt I always told my new NCO’s the same thing! Semper Fidelis
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Cpl Vic Burk
Cpl Vic Burk
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LOL! I could definitely see that happening. Great story! "Get the fuck out of my office!" LOL
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MSgt Gerald Orvis
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I registered for the draft in June 1967 when I graduated from high school. A few months later, I'd been laid off my part-time job when lo! one of my ne'er-do-well pals came along and told me that he was going to see the Marine recruiter (the judge had given him the option of four years in the slammer or four years in the USMC) and did I want to go along? Sure, I said, and ended up enlisting with him on the buddy system. I went home (it was Tuesday) and my Dad was hazing me about getting a job, so I told him I had one and I'd be leaving for training on Thursday. Suddenly, there wasn't anything too good for me! Well, my pal got contusion foot in the third week of boot camp and was medevaced to Balboa Naval Hospital and I never saw him again. I finished boot camp and advanced training and ended up in Vietnam in Feb 68. I never got a draft notice. As to how I felt about joining and going to Vietnam, I came from a small town and just felt I was doing my duty to my country. My Dad was a WWII vet (33rd Div in the Pacific Theater) and I wanted to emulate his service. One tour of duty led to the next and I retired in 1988.
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FN Charlie Spivey
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Got my notice to report for a preinduction Physical when I was a Senior in High School ( I was classified as 1A ). Thta didn't go so well ( Blood Pressure ). By the time Spring break came around, I had been in the hospital and gotten things sorted out. I headed off to see the Navy recruiter as I had intended to follow my Dad into the Navy. First Office I got to, was the Coast Guard. I rmembered the Stations I saw on the Outer Banks of N.C. and loved it out there, so decided to talk to him. Found out it counted as my service obligation and that was it. This was in '65 and as far as I knew, the CG had no assets in Vietnam which was heatiing up, or so I thought. By the end of my break, all I had left was to report, get sworn in and get gone. I was never stationed any further south than Lewes, Del. and ended up doing a tour in Vietnam to boot.
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FN Charlie Spivey
FN Charlie Spivey
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I believe the Tameroa was a Sea Going Tug ( not to be confused with a harbor tug as there is really no comparison ). I remember the name, but not where she was based. I believe the Achushnet was either out of Boston, or Portland, Me. and the Cherokee was out of Portsmouth Va. I can't imagine being up in the North Atlantic on one of those things. I was up there on a 311' ( O/S Bravo ) and you would get beat to deat for 35 days or so ( never saw it calm up there ). I got out in May '69 and two weeks later I was talking to the Army Recruiter. I had two uncles that Retired from the Army, one was a SSG and the other SFC, Ithe one that was SFC retired form Ft. Eustice and was an engineer on a tug boat. I pretty much had a ready made MOS with that as that is what I did in the CG. That was as far as I got though. After a Tour in Vietnam, I decided I wasn't going to chance going back again. I have a Ship Mate ( somebody I worked with everyday ) that went back and was KIA and one of 7 Coasties on the wall.
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SP5 Robert Ruck
SP5 Robert Ruck
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The Tamara was out of New York I think. It was a long time ago but I believe my brother, Barry, was stationed on Governors Island at the time. He certainly had some hairraising yarns about North Atlantic sea duty on the Tamaroa. Barry was killed in a motorcycle accident in Virginia in 1980.
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FN Charlie Spivey
FN Charlie Spivey
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SP5 Robert Ruck - It can get pretty hair raising for sure up there. Can't believe they would send those things up there. Bad enough on the 311s & 327s and those tugs were smaller. We were based at CG Base St. George, next to the Staten Island Ferry on the Staten Island side, then moved over to Governors Island after out Nam deployment. Sorry to hear about your brother. I am in Virginia and unfortunately see those from time to time.
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SGT Jim Ramge, MBA
SGT Jim Ramge, MBA
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Found out my Grandfather was in the Coast Guard before the Navy... Was news to my father as he only knew his Dad was in the US Navy for 27 yrs before retiring!
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski
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I enlisted - I knew my number was up!
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SSG William Jones
SSG William Jones
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@SP5 Mark Kuzinski I beat "the call" and enlisted, too.
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SP5 Joel O'Brien
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CPL Dave Hoover
CPL Dave Hoover
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Just as my brother did SP5 Mark Kuzinski
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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I enlisted also shortly after finishing High School in 1966 . At that point those they drafted one of of 9 was being placed in the Marines. I had however enlisted in the Air Force which had never resorted to the draft nor did the Navy..
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GySgt William Hardy
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I could write an essay on this, maybe a thesis. I will just say that I am a Military Brat who spent his Junior High and beginning High School days in Europe and grew to hate communism. I volunteered and joined up during my Senior year in high school. I graduated on a Friday night and was in training at midnight on Sunday. I was also a young and dumb kid and the reality of going to war had not set in yet. Fortunately, fate step in and everything worked out. What I did like about my experience was that everyone I was associated with were volunteers. No "anti-establishment" rhetoric. Right or wrong, we were of one mind, one mission, and true to the Corps, and the Nation.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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GySgt William Hardy Great response and information - thanks for sharing and thanks for your service!
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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I never got a draft notice as the draft was stopped the year I would have been sucked in. I did however receive my lottery number - 97. I was told with a nice two digit number I would have been in line for an all expense paid vacation.
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Sgt David G Duchesneau
Sgt David G Duchesneau
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Ya, I had that same vacation too. All expense paid vacation thanks to Ho Chi Minh!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Yep, I got that all expense paid vacation in the tropics Myself which My Uncle paid for, uncle Sam that is !
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SSG Ryan Moore
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I was never part of this era, but my hat is off to the men and women who serve during this time. My father was a two-time Vietnam war vet with the Marine Corps!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SP5 Jeannie Carle - I was a Unit Clerk for the 2nd Battalion, 2nd BDE of the 7th Infantry Division and eventually moved up the Battalion PAC and did a lot of work with Pers Records at the Division level and SIDPERS. We probably crossed paths and didn't even know it. You never know!
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
SP5 Jeannie Carle
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - We almost had to have at some point! At least passed each other in the office! Unless, of course, you came by with paperwork for just about anyone at PCF. Then I'd have been the first one to your left as you entered :-)
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SP5 Jeannie Carle - Wow, that was such a long time ago - most likely we did and now here we are all these years later connected on RallyPoint! There is a reason for everything!
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
SP5 Jeannie Carle
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - There is - for everything :-)
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