Posted on Apr 27, 2016
What would you do if your CSM was ignoring uniform and grooming standards? (CSM Flournoy)
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So this CSM from the the 8th MP BDE seems to be out of regulations. From the comments she has been corrected but she claims she is being harassed. I don't even understand how she got to be a CSM at a BDE. What COL out there is letting this happen? In one of the photos she is wearing stilettos in uniform. WTF? What kind of example is this. The worst is from a Facebook user that said:
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
"This one!!!! Holy **** she was in charge of us in Afghanistan!! I could go on and on about this toxic leader!! Trying to maintain professionalism but this one.....when a CSM so jacked up like this, she was laughing her ass off during our rehearsal of my brothers ceremony after he was killed in Afghanistan, she f***ing yelled at me because I "took too long saying my goodbye " as I'm f***ing crying kneeling in front of it. This post will probably get me in trouble, and ruin the rest of my army career as well as my day and my army experience."
What would you do if you were there? What if you were on command?
What should the Army do about this?
(Thanks to Army MP WTF Moments and it's followers for the photos.)
**************UPDATE************************
The 8th Theater Sustainment Command CSM will be travelling to the 8th MP BDE to have some one on one time with this CSM. It is amazing as leaders will do when they are being called out. He should have done that a long time ago.
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Enforce the "Standards," to the best of my ability. If the CSM did not like it, I would talk to him about his attitude.
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First of all, she is a female and nothing can be said and second she is probably black so sty cleared
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SGT Laura Cooper
I beg to disagree in my 10 years the only members I encountered that blatantly disregarded regulations themselves but enforced the ones they choose were male senior NCO's and Officers admittedly once confronted and followed through using the chain of command as it should be most got it together but a few didn't because of the good old boy system of "He is a highly respected senior NCO or Officer with so many years good service" He is above reproach and the lower ranking is warned of consequences of slandering a superior. I had many lower enlisted come yo me for advice on this type of situation. So don't blame race or sex because men have been getting away with this type of behavior for generations in the Military. Everyone is suppose to be held to the same regulations and standards without regard to sex, race or affiliations
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I don't often have a strong reaction to these sorts of posts but leaders like this make me feel physically ill. My honor is tarnished by this and I feel shame for the army. This CSM needs to get her head out of her fourth point of contact and act like a CSM.
CSM Flournoy, you are supposed to exemplify and support the standards of the army, not flout them. You are supposed to be a role model, not an object of ridicule or -- worse -- discredit. if you had behaved as an NCO ought, the very idea of your being "harrassed" would have been out of the question. I don't know if you are being harrassed or not but I do know that, judging from what I see and read here, you have brought a firestorm upon yourself.
Furthermore, you have fouled the water for every honorable, dedicated and committed NCO in the army. In light of your situation I cannot see how you can continue in a command role. You need to take that wreath from around your star. Retirement might be a good idea.
CSM Flournoy, you are supposed to exemplify and support the standards of the army, not flout them. You are supposed to be a role model, not an object of ridicule or -- worse -- discredit. if you had behaved as an NCO ought, the very idea of your being "harrassed" would have been out of the question. I don't know if you are being harrassed or not but I do know that, judging from what I see and read here, you have brought a firestorm upon yourself.
Furthermore, you have fouled the water for every honorable, dedicated and committed NCO in the army. In light of your situation I cannot see how you can continue in a command role. You need to take that wreath from around your star. Retirement might be a good idea.
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"Leaders" like this are what makes good, strong soldiers decide to leave the military. She is disgraceful and makes it hard for me to claim the 8th MP Bde as my former unit. She looks like someone who dressed up as a soldier for Halloween. Her superiors should also be taken to task for allowing her to act this way!
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This person has already passed the point of what is acceptable. Not only is she out of standards. Her chain-of-command is also wrong to not do anything. It would be a good time for a personnel inspection of everyone in her unit by the IG.
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I was always taught to lead by example. If she can't follow 670-1, she can't enforce the standard, either.
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That's a tough question, if I were still in uniform I think I would do a Kamikaze and take it as far as it needed to go, but I am retired and I can say stuff like that and it sounds like I would have been worried about career suicide. When someone gets caught violating regulations its a sure bet that this isn't the first time. She looks like a soup sandwich and most likely is one of the who wear her rank and not live it. If I were one of her 1SG's she would not like it at all.
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I would uphold her to the same standards I uphold my subordinates. It doesn't stop at rank, it continues!
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She is just another black female in the military who thinks she can do whatever the she wants to simply because she is a black female.
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I'm glad to hear that senior command is stepping in here to remove a cancer, but it truthfully should not have been allowed to fester this long.
How many soldiers have been trained, and disciplined by this ate up CSM. She has tarnished those under her command. The overreaction is coming to prevent this from happening again, and that to me, is a admittance of guilt by senior command.
How many soldiers have been trained, and disciplined by this ate up CSM. She has tarnished those under her command. The overreaction is coming to prevent this from happening again, and that to me, is a admittance of guilt by senior command.
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CPL Wilfred Roberge
Sad part is she was a Drill Sergeant!!!!! Imagine that (I'm having a very hard time doing so)!
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