Posted on Jan 7, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.

What would you have if you were the Safety?

Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.

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SP5 David Cox
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I'm unable to get the video, but the comments make the issue fairly clear. I think it is time for me to trot out my story about the only time I touched a weapon after Basic - yes, just once! Bear in mind, this was some time ago (78-82) and there weren't any of the major things going on like today. I was assigned to a MACOM - Army Communications Command - and we were attached to a small HQ Co. on post - Ft. Huachuca. There were about 12 people assigned to that company, and about 250 people attached to it. At some point, someone decided we needed to do a weapons familiarization. We had no arms of our own, so arrangements were made to borrow M-16s from somebody. On the day off, we were out at the range - arrived in our POVs as no transportation was provided - and even to a young troop like me, it was obvious that this was a CF. I don't recall any sort of briefing at all, and there was certainly no refresher training offered. I got handed a rifle and a 10 round clip. The only targets were the farthest out - 300 yds? - and they were locked up. We didn't zero our weapons and nobody spotted for us. At this point it had been a couple of years since Basic, and this was the first time I had touched a weapon since then. I managed to get the clip in, and after some fumbling, remembered about the charging handle. I tried a couple of aimed shots, but with no spotter and the targets locked up, realized I had no idea where my rounds were going. At that point, I did what everyone else was doing - put the lever in full-auto mode and sent the rest of the clip downrange somewhere. All done! The topper to this sad story is that I then got detailed to go to that other unit's armory and help clean weapons as part of the deal for our borrowing of them. When I got there somebody tried to hand me an M-60. I looked at it and said "what do I do with this?" "Clean it!" "How?" I had to explain that I had never seen one before, never touched one before. (I went through Basic at Ft. Leonard Wood during the blizzard of 78 - had pneumonia several times, and consequently missed the machine gun and LAW demonstrations) One they determined that I wasn't shamming, I ended up getting dismissed from the detail. That was the last time I touched a weapon during my 4 years of active duty. So, I feel some sympathy for the subject of the video.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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No brass , no ammo, Drill Sgt.....hooah!!
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COL Ed Mullin
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I would train her. A sergeant is usually not in this situation because of personal misconduct. The more likely explanation is a systemic failure in the leadership, training and promotion process.
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PO2 Rich Pratt
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I came out of the Navy an Electricians Mate 2nd class, On the sub I qualified on a 45 and a shotgun.

I joined the National Guard, suddenly I’m a SGT. They were surprised I didn’t know how to form up the company for lunch, but never considered the fact that the first time I saw an M-16 was when they gave it to me to clean. Luckily I was smart enough to figure things out and ask for help.
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SSgt David Marks
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Well I know when I was in the service, I had to go through Air Base Ground Defense Training at Camp Bullish, in San Antonio, TX. We trained on various weapons, for some reason my instructors always gave me the M-60 Machine Gun. They taught me everything about the weapon, to include the proper way to clean it after I shot it. After training I never handled an M-60 again until 7 years later, where while doing Air Base Ground Defense training once again I came across an M-60 again. In the training class it turned out that I a little Sgt (E4) was the only one that knew the weapon. In the class were 2 SMSgt (E8) and 3 MSgt (E7).and none of them had ever handled an M-60. Anyway I ended up having to teach the class on the handling, dissembling, and reassembly and proper cleaning procedures. The point I'm making is if a fellow soldier doesn't know how to do something on a weapon, doing it tactfully AMD respectfully show them how to do it, because a little thing like loading a magazine can in a battle mean life or death for him or others. Good luck.
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Cpl Stephen Walker
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Kick her in the ass and make her low crawl the entire range while shooting resumes.
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SFC Charles Temm
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Many centuries ago I was running a 9mm range for XVIII ABC in Bragg...typical mixed bag of rear echelon office pogs and line swine marking time to retirement or resting b4 they return to the fray...anyway I was the NCOIC and out on the firing line running my spiel. When I said prepare to lock and load, I hear a shot go off and look over to see a young officer looking quite pale for a black guy and a big hole by his boot.

I gave him the look for a moment, turned and finished up. Figured he'd get more out of the public embarrassment than any polite ass chewing I could give him.

No further incidents and after the firing was done, he came and apologized. The other NCOs just grinned as they left and the support kids I had (cooks/drivers/mechanics) w/me just thought that was the coolest thing. Interestingly, none of the other officers (inc some full birds) ever said anything or if they did, CofC thought I did the right thing.

Sometimes you need to know when to blow up and when not to. Your stated case here was one where I would have rolled my eyes and gave a bloc of instruction off to the side. NOW if I got a ration of shit from said "NCO" , I would have booted her. Otherwise it's just another chance to excel in an environment often full of such.
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Cpl Robert Robertson
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You simply not be a NCO in my Marine Corps if you lacked such a basic skill.I dont care what your MOS is
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LCpl Emanuel W.
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I probably wouldn't let the Sgt fire a weapon until she can get the proper training. From learning the basics to loading a magazine to snapping in. While I was active, we had to qualify every year. We were detached for up to 2 weeks. The first week is PMI and snap in. The second week is firing on the range after zeroing the weapon.
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MSgt Brian Dady
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Yeah it sucks. But that's life. Saw a TSgt, yes I am chairforce ha ha, shove a mag in upside down once in contact. Put that weapon on the sidelines in short order Thank God for the Beretta. Poor choice posting the vid!
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