Posted on Mar 15, 2016
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I have seen various charts establishing a recommended timeline for officers and their positions. But is really expected at the ground level. How long are officers waiting to promote to Captain from First Lieutenant.

The least time I have ever heard was three and a half years to make Captain. I know that is extremely rare and that the Army is now in a different era from when that occurred. I hear of the big Army wanted LTs to spend more time in their position before they promote.

What is the timeline that you have seen or is expected? Does the Army National Guard differ from the Regular Army? How about the Army Reserves?
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CAPT Don Bosch, EdD
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Took me 26 years, but I'm a slow learner. ;-)
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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lol, not quite the same level of Captain !
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TSgt Thomas Tansey
TSgt Thomas Tansey
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Haha, when I was reading it I though dang...till I saw the Navy Full Bird! Guess that would make you a slow learner! I joined this site because I typed in to google, "How long does it take to make Capt. in the Air Force?". I was on a site that listed all the presidents that were former military and saw George Bush jr. got out as a 1st lieutenant from a flying squadron? I always thought they made rank quick? Pilots that is.
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SSG William Ryan
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You remind me of an actor Sir, I just do not remember that damned show! But laughed at the comment haha, I can tell you were an awesome officer!
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CAPT Don Bosch, EdD
CAPT Don Bosch, EdD
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SSG William Ryan - Maybe Bull from Night Court? That's where I got my callsign...
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Capt Retired
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Isn't it related to whether or not you saluted 1LTs when you were a 2LT?
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CPT James Jackson
CPT James Jackson
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If the 1Lt is in a leadership position either as a Company Commander, XO etc. then i'd salute (and did).
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TSgt Thomas Tansey
TSgt Thomas Tansey
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I know as enlisted we would play games with the LT's by spreading out so he, or she, would have to salute us all since we were just the right distance apart. Most of the time they would see a big group and cross the street. Just something stupid we did.
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1LT Kurt Mccarthy
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TSgt Thomas Tansey - I bet the LT was like, yeah, I'm the shit, look at all these Salutes. Us LTs actually like that, but we don't tell you.
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SSG William Ryan
SSG William Ryan
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Ouch the TIG/TIS call out .. that's low!
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COL Diana Bodner
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The Army provides the requirements for promotion. All components Army, Army National Guard and Army Reserves adhere to those requirements. The rule book is AR 600-8-29

Eligibility Rules. The general rule to promote 2LTs is 18 months from entrance on active duty or 24 months minus one day from the date of commissioning, whichever is earlier. LTs are not boarded.

CPT, MAJ, and LTC. These officers must serve at least 3 years TIG to be considered for promotion (approximately 4 years of service). You only have two opportunities to board. After that, you will ultimately leave the service. Promotion screening authorities will review the official military personnel files of eligible 1LT to consider the officer for promotion to the grade of CPT. Promotion screening authorities will place the names of officers in the promotion zone on a recommended all-qualified officers list unless there are reasons not to (referred OERs, letters of reprimand, UCMJ actions, etc.)
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CW3 Terry Gile
CW3 Terry Gile
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COL B, I don't recall for sure, but pass-over in the secondary zone does not constitute one of the two non-selections leading to elimination from the service, does it? Do the minimum TIG requirements specified in AR 600-8-29 constitute the secondary zone? Is the primary zone the minimum TIG plus one year? (Military personnel procedures are a perishable skill, and it's been so long I can barely remember my own name.) :^S
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When should an officer expect to be promoted to Captain?
CPT Steve Curley
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Back in the dark ages (1968) it was 1yr in each of the Lt grades and Captain at 24 months. The only requirement was that you wake up on the morning of your promotion. My Captains bars were tossed to me by MG Tolson, CG of the 1st Air Cav, Camp Evans, RVN on his way to his chopper. The ceremony was "put them on when you've got the time and you don't have the time now and oh ya congrats, Captain.". We were flying escort for him that day in a Snake.
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MAJ Intelligence Officer
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The time from O1->O2->O3 is a "Needs of the Army" thing, as always, but it also depends if you're in the Active, Reserve, or Guard component. When I commissioned, Active was at 18mo/18mo from Commissioned to CPT, but Reserve and Guard hovered around 24mo/36mo for the same (I made 24/33, so I barely beat the curve). Later on, the Reserve floated as far as 18/24 in some special cases, but now it's back to 24/36 standard. Active expanded slowly to 24/24, which is what they seem to be at now, but because of board delays it seems like it's become closer to 24/30.

Bottom line is, unless you're in a Guard unit with no slots anywhere, current 1LTs should be picking up CPT between 4 and 5 years after commissioning overall. One thing to remember is that Active pins on as soon as their sequence # hits, but Reserve has to find (or already be in) a billet of the new grade, which cannot be multi-person slotted, to pin on (and barring that, will pin one day prior to their next anniversary of the old grade). For a Reservist, that can dramatically extend the wait-time if you don't have a billet ready.
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1LT Platoon Leader
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Best explanation that I've seen sir! Some great insight here. The part about the NG / AR promotion wait time is 100% accurate.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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When I first came in, it was typically 4yrs from your commissioning date (2 as a 2LT and 2 as a 1LT). Soon thereafter, it got dropped to 3. I think it's back up to 4 now, and 4 is about where it needs to be.
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LTC Robin P.
LTC Robin P.
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Ditto, and I agree.
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LTC Field Artillery Unit Commander
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When I was commissioned (Oct 1969) it was 1 yr to 1LT and 1 yr to CPT, which was quickly changed when they took promotions away from Commands (USAREUR, in my case) and I ended up leaving AD in Feb of 1973 as a 1LT. This was especially troublesome as I was in a Pershing Missile Battery commanded by a Major with platoon leaders being Captains. We were so short of Captains that I was assigned as the XO and ended up with 3 Captain platoon leaders for 6 months (they had no Pershing experience).
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LTC John Mohor
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When I was a 1LT with a mix of reserve and active duty I spent 7 years as a Lieutenant. the time spent worked out well for me.
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MAJ Account Manager
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CPT (Join to see) and CPT (Join to see) -
I commissioned in May of 2009 into the VA ARNG. I was promoted to 1LT in November of 2010. I served in O2 billets until June of 2013, at which point I became an S1 and submitted my Unit Vacancy Promotion packet, based on the fact that I had the right Time in Service (TIS), Time in Grade (TIG), Civilian Education, Military Education, I was in an O3 billet, and I was recommended for promotion. It was accepted but before I was promoted, I transferred to the CA ARNG and went back to an O2 billet. I was notified that I was being DA boarded in fall of 2014, and I was promoted in 2015 when the board finally published their results.

I don't remember TIS and TIG requirements, I'm sure someone can look those up. You need a four-year degree and to have finished BOLC. I finished my second Captain's Career Course by August of 2013, which definitely helped my chances, but not required. Of course, you also need to be doing well with OERs, APFTs, DA Photos, and the like.

Another thing to understand is they don't owe you anything. I am trying to get someone UVP'd right now, everything fits, but the Brigade Commander says he doesn't believe in vacancy promotion.

So... bottom line: Your stars have to align a bit, but it's not impossible. Otherwise, you'll be boarded approximately five years from your commissioning date.

Hope that helps.
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MAJ Special Forces Officer
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"But the Bde Cdr does not believe in vacancy promotion"? Do I understand that an individual who finds or is appointed to a position a grade higher than his rank, should not get promoted over anyone else?
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CPT Battalion S 1 Oic
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Right now it's the first day of the month when you'll hit 4 years active commissioned service.
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CPT Battalion S 1 Oic
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CPT (Servicemember) - Thanks bro. I got my stetson and silver spurs from 1-1 CAV, the greatest squadron there is. I was their first S-1 after the unit got reactivated in Ft. Bliss, 2010.
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CPT Peter Nesteruk
CPT Peter Nesteruk
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sounds about right 4 years since commissioned
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CPT Director Of Sales
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I was a 1LT for 18 months in the USAR before I pinned CPT. The reason for the acceleration, I was currently in a CPT slot as a Company Commander and I had both my Battalion and Brigade CDR push for my promotion.
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