Posted on Aug 15, 2014
1SG John O.
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Why are fewer young veterans joining veteran organizations %28vfw  american legion%29 post military service
Our WWII Veteran ranks are very thin, and we are losing many Korean War Veterans now. Vietnam Veterans are in their upper 60s or 70s already. My point is, our stories and our history is shared across the generations in lodges and halls across the country, but fewer Veterans are joining these organizations post military. Who will tell their stories when they are all gone....who will tell our stories? Curious to others opinions on this subject! Thanks in advance! AATW!
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Sgt Samantha Jee
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For us in Susanville, Ca, we try to get those from our generation active in the organizations. The only people who move to our town right now are veterans. We mostly go through the community college's gunsmith program. As our VFW commander says (Vietnam era), "If we don't get anyone from your generation active in the post, there won't be anyone to do our funerals and pass on what we stand for."
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Thanks for posting this as I felt this for a long time. My father got me started in the American Legion the day I joined the Army. Right now I don't participate much in my post because I am so far away but I am going to look into my nearby post. I think that there is a stigma that these organizations are something older folks goes to tell old war stories and play bingo. Not too many of us want to talk about our stories in our generation. I am a strong believer that our younger generation should be more involved in an organization like the American Legion or VFW. These organizations can open up new doors for you and give some insight on a better tomorrow, not to mention they are big supporters of local communities.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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Exactly! We need more active duty and young vets involved, even if it's only 1 day a month for an hour or two. These posts need fresh ideas that only the younger vets and active service members can provide. The 'old timers' just don't know how to help this generation, it's not that they don't want to.
I hope to find a local post you enjoy!
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1SG John O.
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Thanks for the input SSG Travis Lausier! Most believe, and many posts do, just as you mentioned, play bingo and tell stories. But on the big scope, service organizations do so much more for Veterans and those serving. And MSG Wade Huffman is on point as usual, the local post need younger, fresh blood to energize the members and the community.
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GySgt James Marchinke
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Bars, we have programs such as BOYS STATE, GIRL STATE, ORATORICAL, BOYS SCOUTS, VETERAN AFFAIRS, TEMPORARY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, HEROES TO HOMETOWN, HOMELAND SECURITY, VETERANS REHABILITATION, AMERICANISM; MOST POSTS CONCENTRATE ON WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR AREA; AND OF COURSE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, TOWN EVENTS, HIGH SCHOOL SCHOLARSHIPS, WE DO A LOT BUT DO NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT WE DO; MY SAYING IS VETERANS STILL SERVING OUR VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES ALIKE
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SFC Edwin Snyder
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I've been a member of the Association of the United States Army (AUSA) for several years and have served on the board of directors for the local chapter on Fort Knox. All of the service organizations are doing important work for veterans, retirees and active duty members. i you have to pick and choose, pick the one that makes the most sense for you. Our numbers have been dwindling which makes our voice at a national level less influential. We need the numbers to make those on capitol hill listen.
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1SG John O.
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It wasn't an option when I was in, but times have changed. I'm an old school Soldier with old school ways...I'll just say that much. I appreciate your input and you're spot on with dwindling numbers negatively affect our weight on the Hill.
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SPC Christopher Dunbar
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I've seen this type of post before. Some people running away because they were once redirected to the women's auxiliary because women veterans aren't as common as men, so she got offended. Buck up and prove them wrong.

I have seen the clique in other posts and that is a difficult problem to fix. Only way to get to that changed is to get in or convince those who are that it is detremental to the longevity of their organization.

Others don't want to just sit around and drink like some organizations do. The younger generations are more about running 5k races and Crossfit, color runs, etc.

The way to change it is to get into and change it within. I hope that more people consider joining American Legion and VFW. The more specific groups, like Vietnam Veterans and IAVA will fizzle out because someday there won't be anyone alive who is eligible for the clubs. AL and VFW have been around along time and have contributed to all the benefits that Veterans now have.

Good luck, everyone!
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SGT Chris Birkinbine
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I disagree with your conclusion. This is a problem of AL/VFW wanting more members and not being able to get them. They ask why, and these are the answers as you have said. My answer on why I have not joined falls into those mentioned above. So I do not pay money to be in an organization that I feel I do not fit in, when there are other orgs I do. The burden is not on me to pay my money to an organization and try to change it from within, something that 1) might be unsuccessful and a waste of my time/energy/money and 2) is in my eyes highly disrespectful. Those orgs are as they are, and are enjoyed by many, so I don't see it as my place to come in and try to change it.

On the flip side, as I said before, the problem is these groups WANT more membership and aren't getting it. If they want the younger generation, then those Post Commanders and other leadership need to put in the effort to change their organizations to fit the needs of their target demographic. Sorry if that sounds a bit dickish, but it's how I feel. I do and have run several groups, and a am a member of several others, mostly non-vet related, so it's not a matter of being lazy or not wanting to put in work either - it's just not my job to join a place that currently doesn't appeal to me and try and make it some place I want to be.
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SPC Juanita Anderson
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It is simple for your answer blame on a women. Both me and my late husband are veterans. He was nam vet I am later. I been to different units and see and been many different ones. Yours might be ok but you can not speak for the rest. Plus I did put gender in my first commit you were the made it a sexist thing
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I agree with you SGT Birkinbine. If the VFW and other vet organizations want newer blood, more members, and more money then it is up to them to change the atmosphere of the posts. I am not a member of these organizations because of the same reasons. I'm not a smoker and I'm not a Korea/Vietnam vet so why should I pay money to go to a post to expose myself to second hand smoke and hear a bunch of old guys talking about "Nam" or Korea.
Post Commanders have to know the reasons why they aren't getting younger people to join; many in my area have been told this over and over again with no changes being made. It's just ludicrous to think that someone should pay money to join an organization and then put in tons of work and time to try to change it from the inside all the while fighting against the established members who don't want to change. It seems to be a waste of time, energy, resources, and money. I applaud those vets that are willing to do this or have the time and resources to do it but the vast majority of newer (Post 9/11) vets don't.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Our American Legion, Post 208, Millis, MA doesn't even have an Auxiliary, all the women We have are veterans. A lot of people make the incorrect presumptions and can't get it through their heads both Men and Woman serve in the Armed Forces of the United States One of Our female post members is My own recruit and Retired from the US Army as a SSgt, another retired from the US Air Force as a TSgt, (She is also the Veteran's Service Agent for the Town of Millis, MA ) Other women within the Post were mostly Navy Veterans and another Army Vet. Three of our Past Post Commanders were woman including two that I followed in the Post Commander's position.
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LCpl Steven Fiore
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Hello,
I am an Afghanistan Veteran and have recently decided to pursue an active involvement into the VFW, AMVETS, and AL. Here is my personal opinion. It is actually tough to do this without help. When I signed up, I signed up for life memberships to VFW and AMVETS. AL has the PUFL program, but doesn't allow you to do it up front. There are ways to find a post for VFW, but no information on how to join a post, online. This means I need to reach out and pursue it myself. I drove by the closest vfw post and it is closed (sad to say). The next closest is about 25 miles away. I was able to call them and will be going for a visit this weekend. It was easy to pay the lifetime fees, but actually getting involved is a bit of a challenge.

Now, this will deter most of my generation, but for anyone that is in their 20's and 30's and are bypassing these old guard groups, please think twice. My grandfather was a member of DAV, AL, VFW. I am proud to have the ability to join the veteran groups I can.

I read an article that laid it out plainly. 15% of post DS veterans that are eligible join these groups. There is a 50% decline in members since the mid 90's. Vietnam Vets make up the majority of the members and are now reaching "that age." I get that a lot of old guard vets dislike the new vets. This hasn't changed. If the old salty dogs of Vietnam can remember what the the previous old salty dogs thought of them, when they got back stateside, it might remind them how it is and might help them be less surly.

Now, here is the message i give every young vet. If it wasn't for these groups continually fighting on Capital Hill for us. We would not have the benefits we do today. These benefits are not entitlements, they must be fought for, or we will lose them. I understand that the average age for some of these groups is in the high 60's and low 70's. The major complaint I always here, is that these groups are out of touch. Do you really think that the old guard should adjust to our modern way? It is our responsibility, dare i say duty, to pick up these reins and move forward. Got your feelings hurt for an old salty dog not liking the new way of living? deal with it. If you don't like the way things are, bring in more of your veteran buddies. We all have common ground and someone needs to preserve and keep these groups strong and alive. My generation needs to put their big boy (girl) pants on and get some tough skin and earn the respect to take the reins forward.

as for all you salty dogs, remember what your old guard thought of you and try and make it a bit easier on our generation. If not, we all lose.
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SGM Matthew West
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Steven, you are correct for joining a specific VFW online. However, you can find post by visiting http://www.vfw.org/ They show the Find A Post Function in the top of the page section. Again, I want to applaud you for your post, as it shows that some of our current Veterans want to be apart of something bigger then themselves.
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It's easy to say that younger vets just need to put on their "big boy/girl pants", pay dues, and go in and try to change a historic organization from the inside but the majority of newer vets (post 9/11) may not have the time or resources to do this.
If the Post Commanders want to up their numbers then much of the work should be on them to help save their organizations as well. How many other failing organizations out there who objectively look at their dwindling numbers say "it's not us or our organization that's the problem and even if it is it's on the young pups coming in to make adjustments and change it for the better".
Professional organizations who operate this way go out of business and for good reason. It's for no better reason than apathy and yes, I'm sorry but, these "old salty dogs" (especially the Post Commanders) do need adjust to modern ways or their organization will go the same way as any other failed business that couldn't "get with the times"; they failed and closed their doors. Newer vets are more interested in organizations such as IAVA et al because they feel the organization is invested in them and they don't have to rebuild a failing organization from the ground up.
I applaud your efforts and hope you are successful in your venture with your local post.
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GySgt James Marchinke
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Fiore,
Well put and may I use your statements in our, Maryland American Legion, membership campaigns?
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As someone that joined both the American Legion and the VFW, I have to say that it serves as a point of comroderie that transcends the age gap. Often times people people in these organizations have many years experience and can be a great resource for solutions that happen in today's military. Also, being able to talk to a group of people that have also been in and been to war gives an outlet that some (if not most) civillians would not comprehend. From friends that are gone (but not forgotten) to embracing the suck in a third world country, these people understand.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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The American Legion Post 208, Millis, MA decided years ago any of our local residents that wish to join the post as long as they are on active duty WE will pay their dues. We still have some WWII and Korean War vets but most are Viet Nam, or later as Persian Gulf war time period etc. Our Military service binds us all, age isn't a factor and it never should be in My opinion.
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CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson)
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I was finally able to join! As a new member of Post 550, Bloomington, MN, I am very happy to see the work with youth, ROTC and various activities in the community. As a member, it is my responsibility to reach out to active duty and vets who have not yet joined.
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SFC Richard M.
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I saw this post yesterday and it struck a chord with me. Last night I signed up and am now a member of the VFW Post 6978. Thanks for the inspiration.
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SPC(P) Mark Newman
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Could it be that in "the old days," people were more interested in face to face friendships?

Also, we don't have to seek privacy to have a beer and a smoke. I think at one time, that was not something done with the family in tow; you needed a special place.

But for some vets, 60 years ago, they HAD to go out for entertainment. There were no 24 hour movie channels, no FOX or CNN around the clock. No VCRs or Internet.

Maybe we need to have more face to face friendships, and fewer facebook to facebook friendships.
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SPC(P) Mark Newman 60 years ago war veterans suffered the same problems the veterans of today are suffering from - without any acknowledgement from society, much less the VA. Veterans then knew what veterans today often learn - they feel out of place with friends, family, co-workers. The older veterans returned home to find they were alone in a room full of loved ones. The older veterans found themselves unable to talk about what happened to them in the war - people who have not "been there, done that" have no point of reference to even begin to understand much less have a conversation. So, the older veterans found themselves coming together seeking a common ground with someone that could speak the same language and understand the pain and anguish without having to explain everything since boot camp. The older veterans grouped together for survival - joining groups such as the VFW gave them a place to go to be among others who had the same nightmares, fears, smelled the same smells and understood the "look"........ You're correct, the older vets (and todays vets) need a special place to call their own. Sometimes, it seems like the older veterans are looking at the newer veterans with a jaundiced eye and not being very receptive - and they are. Not because the older veterans aren't willing to help - but because they've reached a point in their lives that won't allow them to accept change easily. The older veterans are looking for new blood - you just have to get to know them. Even today, with all the twitter, FB, etc., face to face still works.
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Sgt Samantha Jee
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(More phone issues, I'm sorry.) I agree. our post was made so veterans of WWI could keep an eye on each other and stay involved in the community. Today, we started a lazer tag fundraiser for the kids and we open the bar for the NRA dinner and symphony. Myself and the other Gulf War - now vets are starting to get the post more active and 'user friendly' in the community instead of just a bunch of WWII and Vietnam vets drinking every week.
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SPC(P) Mark Newman
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Well said, Sailor. Very well said.
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SPC Robin Price-Dirks
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Maybe somebody should try having different sports on a big screen tv and have a contest to see who makes the best chili, hot wings, etc . Or start a pickup game of basketball, football, etc and play other Veteran organizations for fun......
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1SG Okerson,

I always thought that the VFW is for older vets who've completed their service. It never occurred to me to join, or even to look up the eligibility requirements. Thank you for posting this question. Hopefully it will raise people's awareness.

Maybe these organizations should consider marketing on FaceBook or Twitter. There are probably lots of young vets who would join if they were aware these organizations existed.
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I just submitted an application and am waiting for approval.

Here is the VFW on social media:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/VFWHQ
FB: https://www.facebook.com/VFWFans
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/vfwvids
Blog: http://www.thevfw.blogspot.com/
RSS: http://www.vfw.org/rss
Google+:
https://plus.google.com/ [login to see] [login to see] /posts
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MSG Wade Huffman, thanks for the heads up! I will definitely get involved with the VFW once they approve my application.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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Congratulations and welcome to the team! We need many more just like you! Thank you for joining!
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Cpl Jai Cotman
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As a younger vet (mid-30's), I belong to the local American Legion Post. Even though we only meet monthly (not a huge time constraint), the ability to meet with other service men and women who are keen to continue serving our community and honor our service is a welcome enjoyment. There are also benefits to being a member, such as discounts to establishments, assistance with matters with the VA and other perks.

Our post does have a Facebook presence, as does the American Legion as a whole but it's not something many look to for assistance or know exist. I encourage anyone needing assistance with matters of the VA or looking to connect with like minded souls, to look for a local post in your area.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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There is a large generational gap to start with. The older members were used to having a different work ethic as part of their life. Just about every one of them was thinking about what they were going to do to make ends meet at 16 if not earlier. Society today is much slower to fully engage with their adult responsibilities. For the WWII generation it was simple. You were good to go, or you weren't. You were worth something or you weren't. Your word meant you could be trusted or not. There were no extra issues with all the excuses for why you did something. I think that creates a separation with the older vets. For some reason I find that I can talk with the older vets more easily than I can with just about any other population. I share theri attitudes in regard toward what a person is worth. I have also extensively studied our military history from WWII and Viet Nam. Maybe they helps create a bond that would be tenous otherwise.
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SGT Jim Z.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser you make a very good point and I like you can relate with the older veterans easier, I respectful, polite, and that goes along ways as well. Some younger veterans have the about me attitude which the older generation does not want to hear about. I love history and more I love military history so to hear these guys talk about their experience is a learning event for me. Do I hang out all the time at my Legion hall no but I do go a few times a month.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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Working in a health records room in Great Lakes I had to deal with a very angry Marine Corps Captain. His record was missing and he had an appointment was in less than an hour. I noticed his Harrier patch on his flight jacket and asked him how the Rolls Royce Pegasus II engine was performing for him. It caught him off guard that someone would know anything about his line of work, much less what engine was in it. We were more easily able to establish a connection then, and track back his path to recover his health record in tome for his appointment.
My point is this. If we as younger veterans can do the same, or something similar for our older generation, then we can more easily establish a connection and a common bond is formed. I for one am an aviation fan. I met all of the physical requirements to become an LDO flying what the Marine Corps calls the CH-53 for the navy. I was too old to qualify when I tried. I would love to talk with guys that flew Mustangs, Warhawks, Lightnings...etc. i hope our younger folks can see the value of making a connection with a much older veteran.
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You nailed it PO1 Aaron Baltosser!
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