Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Why are Machine Guns legal? What does anyone need with one?
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I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
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Sgt Kelli Mays "I am all for the 2nd amendment" Actually your not.
It appears you are a person that wishes to pick and choose what part you want to support, and then throw out the rest.
Do you support the 1st amendment, except when people say something you disagree with? Use words you wish they did not?
Do you agree with the 14th amendment? Unless it's just to inconvenient to get a warrant and in that case unreasonable search is ok?
Perhaps you might do some research into what a "Machine Gun is... I don't think based on what you wrote, you understand the term. If by chance you are referring to the made up Media / political hack term "Assault weapon" its still incorrect, as that weapon would be the same as a Machine gun, a fully auto or select fire weapon.. The likes of which I guess you have never seen used in a "Drive by"
Can you cite the crimes committed in the US that took place with a "Machine Gun" ?
Are you aware of the federal regulations and restrictions of a "Machine Gun"
I thank you for your post and question, an open mind is a great thing... Likely we will not change each other opinion, but being aware of that opposing opinion makes us both wiser.
It appears you are a person that wishes to pick and choose what part you want to support, and then throw out the rest.
Do you support the 1st amendment, except when people say something you disagree with? Use words you wish they did not?
Do you agree with the 14th amendment? Unless it's just to inconvenient to get a warrant and in that case unreasonable search is ok?
Perhaps you might do some research into what a "Machine Gun is... I don't think based on what you wrote, you understand the term. If by chance you are referring to the made up Media / political hack term "Assault weapon" its still incorrect, as that weapon would be the same as a Machine gun, a fully auto or select fire weapon.. The likes of which I guess you have never seen used in a "Drive by"
Can you cite the crimes committed in the US that took place with a "Machine Gun" ?
Are you aware of the federal regulations and restrictions of a "Machine Gun"
I thank you for your post and question, an open mind is a great thing... Likely we will not change each other opinion, but being aware of that opposing opinion makes us both wiser.
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SSG Paul Headlee
SGM Erik Marquez, excellent answer! SGT Kelli Mays, Naw. Nope. "Assault weapon" is an illegitimate term. A bastardization of my beloved English language perpetrated by liberal, left-wing wack jobs. It has no place in logical discussion. It is a term conceived and designed to incite feelings of fear amongst the uninformed. It is but one tool by which socialist politicians conspire to manipulate free people into willfully waiving their God-given rights. When the path is clear these politicians and their useful idiots in the media as well as the intellectually lazy who provide resonance for their insidious and pernicious notions can and will sell their fellow countrymen into slavery. Sound preposterous? Think it can't happen here? Crack open some history books. Read them. Ask questions. Understand what has happened to other populations and absolutely can happen to you and your loved ones through a policy of incrementalism. Maybe you're already too old to experience what may happen but your kids and grand kids aren't. Treasure and protect ALL of the freedoms that have been GIVEN to you. Don't take them lightly. People sacrificed everything for the freedoms this country enjoys. We must build upon what we have as opposed to picking it apart and ruining it. Why don't you embrace the notion of criminal control over inanimate object control? Your present stance on the issue, if brought to fruition, would see people you perhaps think of as normal, everyday people disarmed and at the mercy of well-armed violent criminals; war lords so to speak. Do I need a machine gun? I need parity with any force that seeks to undermine our way of life. For that matter so do you because as someone who lives in this country and benefits from its laws, customs and traditions, you are wholly reponsible for passing that on INTACT to subsequent generations. It is NOT YOUR PLACE to diminish freedom in any way, shape or form. Instead of campaigning against the dubious danger of private ownership by responsible, law-abiding citizens why don't you instead raise awareness of a broken and castrated justice system that allows violent crime rates to be what they are?; a justice system that compells the uninformed to bark up the wrong tree?
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Then you don't understand the meaning of the Second Amendment. Let me see if I can help. At it's writing, America did not have a standing army and all able-bodied men from 17 to 45 were considered the militia and when called up, they were expected to show with "arms and sufficient powder and shot" to face the threat. In other words, their personal arms were their military arms. The only arms supplied by the state were the crew served weapons (cannon).
And the purpose of the Second Amendment is not about shooting sports, hunting or even self-defense. It is about keeping the government in check. Every dictator in history has known that in order to enslave the people, one must first dis-arm them. King George tried that in the 1770's, Lennin did it in the 1920's, Hitler in the 1930/40's. And we have individuals in and out of government in our country today that desire to do the same to us.
It is said, during WWII, when Admiral Yamamoto was asked why the Japanese Imperial forces did not invade the US Mainland after Peral Harbor, he stated that doing so would be at great peril as those forces would face a rifle behind every blade of grass.
I believe that America will never be defeated by an armed foe, but by those that would take our Constitutionally protected rights away from us. And in order to succeed, they know they must eliminate or subvert the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
And the purpose of the Second Amendment is not about shooting sports, hunting or even self-defense. It is about keeping the government in check. Every dictator in history has known that in order to enslave the people, one must first dis-arm them. King George tried that in the 1770's, Lennin did it in the 1920's, Hitler in the 1930/40's. And we have individuals in and out of government in our country today that desire to do the same to us.
It is said, during WWII, when Admiral Yamamoto was asked why the Japanese Imperial forces did not invade the US Mainland after Peral Harbor, he stated that doing so would be at great peril as those forces would face a rifle behind every blade of grass.
I believe that America will never be defeated by an armed foe, but by those that would take our Constitutionally protected rights away from us. And in order to succeed, they know they must eliminate or subvert the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Please, here you go again putting words into my mouth. I very much so totally understand the 2nd amendment....and you are completely not reading my question.
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MCPO (Join to see)
Tech Sergeant - where have you gleaned your info that Lenin or the Nazi's banned weapons? Actually, they EXPANDED it for the citizenry. Even with weapons - no matter what Ben Carson says - the Jews were still rounded up and destroyed by Hitler. Lenin's military was made up of MOSTLY personally armed conscripted civilian "militia members" until the invention of the AK-series.
I have a feeling you've been accepting an oft-repeated string of fallacies regarding gun bans.
I have a feeling you've been accepting an oft-repeated string of fallacies regarding gun bans.
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Banning things has absolutely nothing to do with controlling crime. It has everything to do with controlling people.
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Perhaps like many hobbies or other pursuits, because they are fun to shoot. The browning M2 is one of my all time favorite weapons. Granted it has no use in polite society, but it is fun to shoot.
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LTC (Join to see)
PO2 Robert Cuminale - my dad's place is like that, still hunt there but the range is closed.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
LTC (Join to see) - I believe that that is an impossibility today. An ideal location would be some of the deserted areas owned by the federal government out West. I use a range near Lejeune when I'm at the other house because it's difficult to find a place for rifle fire. There are some out West but that would be a long trip from the East coast. A once in a year trip just wouldn't be enough. Moving there would be a hardship.
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I'm not downvoting, but, "What does anyone need ...", grates on my nerves like fingernails on a chalkboard. It's the pat phrase of those who are not interested in a discussion, but are pretending to be reasonable while telling someone else what to do.
What do we need alcohol for? What do you need a gas-guzzling monster truck for? What do we need cigarettes for? What do you need a car for? (We have public transportation, bicycles and feet, don't we?) What do we need washers and dryers for? (Couldn't we do what great grandma did, wash in a tub and hang our close on the line?) What do we need golf clubs for? (Not only the club itself, but look at all that land that could be used to house Syrian refugees!) What do we need boxing, football games, soccer games, rugby, any athletic contest for? (Just look at all those opportunities to discriminate, when we all know that everyone is a winner and everyone gets a trophy.) What do we need gated communities, airplanes, butcher knives, baseball bats, nitrogen-based fertilizer ...
I hope it's obvious by now that FREE people are able to make choices, and sometimes make bad choices. We don't need drunks to get behind the wheel and kill someone, but that still happens, and I don't hear a lot of people asking what we need alcohol for. People have to right to risk their lives as they choose, for example rock climbing, which has one of the highest fatality rates of any sport. People have the right to KILL themselves with cigarettes.
And people have the right to hunt. People have the right to shoot targets. People have the right to defend their family, their property and their lives, and a responsible person practices with the tools he intends to use to defend himself.
Instead we should be reminding people that the shooter is responsible for the complete trajectory of each bullet from muzzle to final resting place. If a rapist breaks in your front door, you hose him with your uzi, but kill an innocent bystander, you are a MURDERER.
On the other hand, if I am a responsible adult, acknowledge and accept responsibility for every bullet I fire, then I shouldn't have to answer meddling, nosy, stupid questions from people unwilling to accept the same responsibility.
I will personally never chose to own a machine gun. I do not expect to be attacked by 100 rabid zombies requiring a street sweeper to stay alive. If a mob attacks, I'm sure I can kill the first dozen using my semi-automatic weapons. There's no 100% guarantee of safety and fearful people need to quit expecting it. But I like my odds.
What do we need alcohol for? What do you need a gas-guzzling monster truck for? What do we need cigarettes for? What do you need a car for? (We have public transportation, bicycles and feet, don't we?) What do we need washers and dryers for? (Couldn't we do what great grandma did, wash in a tub and hang our close on the line?) What do we need golf clubs for? (Not only the club itself, but look at all that land that could be used to house Syrian refugees!) What do we need boxing, football games, soccer games, rugby, any athletic contest for? (Just look at all those opportunities to discriminate, when we all know that everyone is a winner and everyone gets a trophy.) What do we need gated communities, airplanes, butcher knives, baseball bats, nitrogen-based fertilizer ...
I hope it's obvious by now that FREE people are able to make choices, and sometimes make bad choices. We don't need drunks to get behind the wheel and kill someone, but that still happens, and I don't hear a lot of people asking what we need alcohol for. People have to right to risk their lives as they choose, for example rock climbing, which has one of the highest fatality rates of any sport. People have the right to KILL themselves with cigarettes.
And people have the right to hunt. People have the right to shoot targets. People have the right to defend their family, their property and their lives, and a responsible person practices with the tools he intends to use to defend himself.
Instead we should be reminding people that the shooter is responsible for the complete trajectory of each bullet from muzzle to final resting place. If a rapist breaks in your front door, you hose him with your uzi, but kill an innocent bystander, you are a MURDERER.
On the other hand, if I am a responsible adult, acknowledge and accept responsibility for every bullet I fire, then I shouldn't have to answer meddling, nosy, stupid questions from people unwilling to accept the same responsibility.
I will personally never chose to own a machine gun. I do not expect to be attacked by 100 rabid zombies requiring a street sweeper to stay alive. If a mob attacks, I'm sure I can kill the first dozen using my semi-automatic weapons. There's no 100% guarantee of safety and fearful people need to quit expecting it. But I like my odds.
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Incidentally, I think there are many similar questions that should be asked far ahead of ones about machine guns.
Why do we allow Big Pharma to advertise drugs to consumers unqualified to make such a decision, and then complain about the high cost of medicine? (AFAIK, we are the only industrialized society which allows drugs to be marketed to the public.)
Why do we allow lawsuits to drive up the cost of medicine, though malpractice insurance payments, and again complain about the cost?
Why do we permit people to remain on welfare forever? There are documented cases of three generations within a family permanently on welfare.
Why do we laws against espionage; laws that would put me or you away forever; but we allow someone to break them and not only remain free, but run for President?
Why do we allow politicians to buy their reelection by allowing them to spend our taxes on pork for their voters?
Why do we continue to allow the government to fund education, when for decades now each increase in government aid is matched by an increase in tuition?
Why have we been fighting the "war on poverty" for over 50 years, and not only are people poorer, but the government wants more money to keep fighting?
Why is it that 50 years ago, most households were supported by a single breadwinner. Now most households need two incomes and still just barely get by. Regardless of the actual number of dollars in a paycheck, doesn't that sound like we are poorer than we were 50 years ago?
Why is it that the vast majority of Congress are lawyers? Why is it that we have 5% of the world's population, yet 30% of the world's lawyers, and another 20% exist in their country to deal with US law?
Why is it that we have a lot of yapping about equal opportunity, and yet if someone mentions equality of effort, there is silence so so deafening you could hear an ant fart?
Maybe we should concentrate on important questions that need answers before we allow fearful, meddling people to control more of our lives.
Why do we allow Big Pharma to advertise drugs to consumers unqualified to make such a decision, and then complain about the high cost of medicine? (AFAIK, we are the only industrialized society which allows drugs to be marketed to the public.)
Why do we allow lawsuits to drive up the cost of medicine, though malpractice insurance payments, and again complain about the cost?
Why do we permit people to remain on welfare forever? There are documented cases of three generations within a family permanently on welfare.
Why do we laws against espionage; laws that would put me or you away forever; but we allow someone to break them and not only remain free, but run for President?
Why do we allow politicians to buy their reelection by allowing them to spend our taxes on pork for their voters?
Why do we continue to allow the government to fund education, when for decades now each increase in government aid is matched by an increase in tuition?
Why have we been fighting the "war on poverty" for over 50 years, and not only are people poorer, but the government wants more money to keep fighting?
Why is it that 50 years ago, most households were supported by a single breadwinner. Now most households need two incomes and still just barely get by. Regardless of the actual number of dollars in a paycheck, doesn't that sound like we are poorer than we were 50 years ago?
Why is it that the vast majority of Congress are lawyers? Why is it that we have 5% of the world's population, yet 30% of the world's lawyers, and another 20% exist in their country to deal with US law?
Why is it that we have a lot of yapping about equal opportunity, and yet if someone mentions equality of effort, there is silence so so deafening you could hear an ant fart?
Maybe we should concentrate on important questions that need answers before we allow fearful, meddling people to control more of our lives.
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Cpl Paul Smith
Very well stated and I completely support your statement. In fact, since I have used this same position on many occasions, I feel like we have a common thread somewhere. There are by far, fewer responsible drivers then irresponsible gun owners! There are many more deaths and injuries due to vehicles versus gun shots on a daily and year-over-year report. Support comes from the 2nd Amendment which states the right to bear arms. (Period) Not the right to bear practical arms or limited types of arms, simply a Constitutional Right to bear arms! The limits are financial and personal.
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Capt Walter Miller
Well, there you go. Looks like two guys have stoppages on their 5.56mm POS weapons.
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My response is why shouldn't I be able to? This great nation and the Constitution which I pledged my very life to defend was founded on freedom and liberty. No limits except what I put on myself. So the simple answer is this: I have done nothing to prohibit or limit my freedoms that are unalienable, so if I want one, who are you, or anybody else to tell me that I can't have one?
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Because there might come a day when you will need it to defend yourself from the government.
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Hi there, great question. First things first. Understand there is a difference between a fully automatic firearm (M4 platform) and a machine gun (M240/M249/M60/etc...) One is a select fire weapon capable of semiautomatic / Fully automatic / 3 round burst whereas the other is belt fed.
The driveby's you refer too are almost exclusively semiautomatic weapons. Frankly because the average gangbanger could not afford the cost of a select fire platform or a machine gun. Even the most rudimentary eastern bloc AK47 AK74 would run over 5 grand and other platforms command prices north of 100K.
Although legal to own thereare heavy licensing restrictions on such weapons.
At the end of the day firearms in the hands of civilians whether a Saturday night special all the way to a mini-gun is NOT about need. At the core of civilians owning firearms is for the day (god forbid) that our government (the same government I served to protect and continue to serve as a civilian contractor) turns on its own people.
The driveby's you refer too are almost exclusively semiautomatic weapons. Frankly because the average gangbanger could not afford the cost of a select fire platform or a machine gun. Even the most rudimentary eastern bloc AK47 AK74 would run over 5 grand and other platforms command prices north of 100K.
Although legal to own thereare heavy licensing restrictions on such weapons.
At the end of the day firearms in the hands of civilians whether a Saturday night special all the way to a mini-gun is NOT about need. At the core of civilians owning firearms is for the day (god forbid) that our government (the same government I served to protect and continue to serve as a civilian contractor) turns on its own people.
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