Posted on Nov 13, 2017
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The Army allows people with full sleeve tattoos, criminal history, drug/alcohol abuse problems, overweight people, and now psychotic people serve in the military. Clearly the Army isn't worried about looking professional or being professional. Numerous other Allied nations allow their service members to grow beards and have no problem with their SMs utilizing gas masks. Uniformity definitely isn't an issue either, since we have different hairstyles, uniforms, etc. What are your thoughts on this?
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MSG Pat Colby
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I got in trouble once for asking a female Major if she had a shaving profile. Good Times!
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PO1 Steven Siepp
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PO2 Edward Pate - I had a similar experience we were on a 6 month Med deployment but returned after the New Year. we had one Senior Chief who had been married 11 yrs and his wife never seen him with out a beard until we pulled in Homeport.
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CPL David Thompson
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Well done!
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PO1 George Harley
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PO2 Edward Pate - I was on CV41 82-85. Once did 111 day. Had a great beard going until we crossed the line 3 days before port @ Singapore. Had to cut it off after the hazing because the amount of lard they greased it with. Unpon standing in line for the liberty launch for a couple of hours was denied permission to go ashore because my face did not match my ID card.......my response was...."Well Chief, I'm gonna get off this boat one way or other, here on the barge or I will take a dive from the flight deck...LOL....The command Master Chief was in earshot, heard it and said come with me. I thought I was in big trouble and in danger of being sent to Medical for a mental exam but instead took me to ships admin and personally made me a new one, took me back to the head of the line and off I went.
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SSgt David Tedrow
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"The Army allows people with full sleeve tattoos, criminal history, drug/alcohol abuse problems, overweight people, and now psychotic people serve in the military."

Not sure what Army you are talking about, with the exception of the tattoos, I really don't believe the Army or any other service, knowingly, allow these issues to the extreme that you are insinuating. We are not like other countries in the way we run our armed forces which is why we are the best in the world. Facial hair has many detractors both in the field and in garrison. Professional appearance is important and policing facial hair is nothing but a headache for commands.
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SP5 Kenneth Branch
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The Army I belonged to in the 60's didn't have any of these problems. It was well trained and,professional all the,way.
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SPC Herold Bush - The article is misleading. If an applicant has recent or unexplained scars (parallel marks on the forearms for example) MEPS will absolutely PDQ them. If an applicant was a dumb kid that went through an emo/goth phase, but it was documented and explained, we can work with.
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If they just let guys grow beards then they would not have to police it. There is nothing in modern warfare that would cause issues while having a beard. I have had a beard for 12 years if my career and do high altitude jumps with O2 and wear a pro mask with no issues. That kid is right. We have guys wearing fake eyelashes and make up. And men with ponytails and make up while having male genitalia yet taking the PT test on the female standard “these are the psychotic people he is referring to” because if those people don’t know if they are male or female then they are messed up in the head. Yes there are tons of overweight people in our army too. Outside of special operations there are rarely truly chiseled men in the military.
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On top of that almost every black male I see in the army or navy lately had a bead because they get shaving bumps. I get shaving bumps when I shave sometimes too but they go away eventually. Funny how in the Ranger Regiment there are not many black guys but the ones we have don’t have shaving profiles ever! They shave and have no issues. But if you let black people not shave and Muslims not shave then why not everyone. MSG (Join to see)
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Because you are in the Armed Forces, and there are grooming standards that must be maintained.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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SrA (Join to see) - The original question was, Why can't we grow beards?  With, "The Army allows..." so why can't we grow beards, as justification.  A pretty simple minded question, in my opinion, so I gave a pretty simple response.  But let me amplify, and based on my knowledge of MCO's, uniform and grooming standards are there to insure that service members present a neat and professional military appearance.  And currently the wearing of beards is not considered to present a neat and professional military appearance.  Should it change?  I wouldn't endorse it.  

And to all those heroes out there, the ones bucking the system, only following those orders and regulations that they agree with, good luck. 
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MSgt Michael Collins
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Beards were quite common in the army in the past. They went away around WW1 with the introduction of poison gas, and consequently, the gas mask.
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SPC Scott Allen
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From 1860-1916 mustaches were required in the British Army by Command No. 1,695 of the King’s Regulations
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This whole conversation on beards could be taken for the newer generation questioning everything. I know we are having recruiting problems with the millenials and Gen Z or whatever they are now, but how about we just tell them to shut the heck up and do what they are told? Like their mom and dad should have told them?
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