Posted on Nov 13, 2017
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The Army allows people with full sleeve tattoos, criminal history, drug/alcohol abuse problems, overweight people, and now psychotic people serve in the military. Clearly the Army isn't worried about looking professional or being professional. Numerous other Allied nations allow their service members to grow beards and have no problem with their SMs utilizing gas masks. Uniformity definitely isn't an issue either, since we have different hairstyles, uniforms, etc. What are your thoughts on this?
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MSG Pat Colby
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I got in trouble once for asking a female Major if she had a shaving profile. Good Times!
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MAJ Bill Maynard
MAJ Bill Maynard
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How about offering her your shaving kit?!?
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Maj Deputy Branch Chief
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What kind of "Trouble" did you get into?
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SPC Chinook Helicopter Maintainer
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This is absolutely hilarious because the battalion commander at my first unit had more peach fuzz than I did and I wanted to ask her the same thing.
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PO1 Steven Siepp
PO1 Steven Siepp
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I had just made PO3 before going to Ft Gordon, Ga. for some schools the Army taught and being Navy as a NCO you were allowed to have a beard at the time. about 2 months in I had a pretty good beard growing and ran into a young Officer at the mess who wanted to know what my malfunction was, I just smiled and said Navy sir.
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SSgt David Tedrow
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"The Army allows people with full sleeve tattoos, criminal history, drug/alcohol abuse problems, overweight people, and now psychotic people serve in the military."

Not sure what Army you are talking about, with the exception of the tattoos, I really don't believe the Army or any other service, knowingly, allow these issues to the extreme that you are insinuating. We are not like other countries in the way we run our armed forces which is why we are the best in the world. Facial hair has many detractors both in the field and in garrison. Professional appearance is important and policing facial hair is nothing but a headache for commands.
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Sgt Margot Gall
Sgt Margot Gall
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I though the ARMY was always doing this? LOL!
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PO2 David Dunlap
PO2 David Dunlap
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screws up wearing a gas mask for one thing!
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MSgt Wes Tracy
MSgt Wes Tracy
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Our military is darn good, but I don't think I would claim the best in the world. There are other militaries that, man for man or woman for woman, may be better. I would suggest the Israeli military as just one example. Not a group I would want to mess with. But the men are allowed long hair. Not sure about beards, but I believe they can have them. It's not a readiness thing. It doesn't make us the best in the world. If it is a rule, it needs to be followed, but I see it as an old rule, like many others, that could at least be reviewed periodically. Because is never a good answer.
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SGT Stephen Jaffe
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I was always taught that short their and no facial hair was hygenic and contributed to uniformity of the troops.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Because you are in the Armed Forces, and there are grooming standards that must be maintained.
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SPC Tropo
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A nearly trimmed and maintained beard on many males will look just as professional if not better then a shaved face that's breaks out because of. Just because someone high up long ago hated beards decided to push and make it policy does not in any way make someone today with a beard not look and act professional. Go out into the "real world" and you will find in almost any major profession whether it's medical, law, business and politics professionals that I would hands down say are more professional in all aspects of their life than the majority of our current military enlisted as well as commissioned leaders. Beards preventing gas masks from sealing has just been used as a scapegoat as to why we can not grow a professional looking beard. I grew my stash in AIT because our SGTs and officers tried to say they are only authorized by soldiers of color. Kept my stash since and have encouraged everyone that is able to grow one to do so. I have zero tolerance for the cause I said so. You follow that and you will wind up following other orders that will end your career because I'm small orders you were unwilling to ask questions and not give up until you got an answer that any because I said so.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
GySgt Charles O'Connell
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SPC (Join to see) - Go out in the real world and you'll find that almost any major profession, doctors, lawyers, finance, etc..., has its own standards for dress, appearance, and conduct. Fail to fall in step and you won't get very far. It's not a matter of, "do it just cause I said so". It adhereing to current orders and regulations. Question the order sure, knock yourself out, but it'll be in the correct time and place, in a squared away uniform and appearance.
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CPO Roswell Echols
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Had them under Admiral Zumwalt I had no problems with my guys and we were on Recruiting Duty
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1SG Joseph Curila
1SG Joseph Curila
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After the 24 years in the Army I changed jobs after retirement and became a Health and Safety professional. Many of my job sites required Level B (respirator supplied air) or Level C (filtered air). In all cases a clean shave is required to wear a respirator (same as a gas mask). So when someone says that a beard would not hinder the use of a gas mask they are 100% wrong.
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