Posted on Jan 19, 2017
Why do most recent Medal of Honor recipients leave the military shortly after being awarded it?
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Mainly speaking about the latest MoH recipients from the Global War on Terrorism. I understand you receive a number of benefits for being a recipient of the award, such as; $1200 per month for life, 10% increase in military retirement pension, qualified dependents are automatically approved for attendance at military academies, commissary and PX privileges for life, the list goes on and on. Just wondering why the ones that had under 20 years wouldn't finish. Any thoughts on this?
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http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/06/the-benefits-for-medal-of-honor-recipeints/
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http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/06/the-benefits-for-medal-of-honor-recipeints/
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LCpl Keith Neathery
I was under the command of Col. Wesley Fox at OCS in quantico, he was an MoH recip and stayed in until he reached manditory retirement age.
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Capt Leo Glover
I provided a statement for a MOH winner. He received it in 1967. This man hated being Mister MOH winner and disliked being only recognized for his medal. He later in the 90's sold it at a garage sale and moved to a very isolated area. Gentleman passed away a few years ago.
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CPL S S
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_J._Kellogg
I worked in the VA in Honolulu with this awesome man...he is the most unassuming person that wants nothing in return. He worked in our homeless office to give out food, clothing and showers to homeless veterans. We put together a team to do a farewell ceremony/party for his retirement of 50 years of service. After planning a big festival with the whole Marine Corps base Hawaii and PACOM commanders and PENTAGON officials to come...he found out and CANCELLED whole thing. He left one day and never came back!!! Saw him last month in the VA Clinic and he is still the same. Story from a veteran that I spoke to that served with him said he took the brunt of a grenade thrown to his position to save the lives of his squad and survived!!!
I worked in the VA in Honolulu with this awesome man...he is the most unassuming person that wants nothing in return. He worked in our homeless office to give out food, clothing and showers to homeless veterans. We put together a team to do a farewell ceremony/party for his retirement of 50 years of service. After planning a big festival with the whole Marine Corps base Hawaii and PACOM commanders and PENTAGON officials to come...he found out and CANCELLED whole thing. He left one day and never came back!!! Saw him last month in the VA Clinic and he is still the same. Story from a veteran that I spoke to that served with him said he took the brunt of a grenade thrown to his position to save the lives of his squad and survived!!!
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Obviously can't speak from experience, but I suspect that:
1) They've all been through a traumatic significant emotional event
2) Their status as a MoH recipient has moved them away from being with Soldiers and more towards public speaking engagements and poster boy stuff (may not be the comfort zone)
1) They've all been through a traumatic significant emotional event
2) Their status as a MoH recipient has moved them away from being with Soldiers and more towards public speaking engagements and poster boy stuff (may not be the comfort zone)
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SGT (Join to see)
From what I have heard, a MoH receiptant can’t go to combat. If a military can’t go to combat, then why stay in.
Also, met a MoH receiptant who did 20. He wondered did he get promoted and respect based off of his merits or the MoH.
Also, met a MoH receiptant who did 20. He wondered did he get promoted and respect based off of his merits or the MoH.
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I think the biggest reason would be that MoH recipients from the GWOT campaign were all medically retired, or were already out, Dakota Myers was already out when he received his, Kyle Carpenter lost an eye during his actions that earned his, one soldier lost a hand in a grenade blast, this isn't like Forrest Gump where he receives one and the only wound he gets is a bullet in the ass, these service members get seriously wounded.
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SP5 Kathleen Berger
SSgt Bill Mills - Medal
The Bronze Star Medal, unofficially the Bronze Star, is a United States decoration awarded to members of the United States Armed Forces for either heroic achievement, heroic service, meritorious achievement, or meritorious service in a combat zone. My brother-in-law received the bronze star for meritorious service in a combat zone. I admit I had forgotten it was strictly a combat zone award; however, I was right it can be awarded for meritorious achievement/service not related to actual combat.
The Bronze Star Medal, unofficially the Bronze Star, is a United States decoration awarded to members of the United States Armed Forces for either heroic achievement, heroic service, meritorious achievement, or meritorious service in a combat zone. My brother-in-law received the bronze star for meritorious service in a combat zone. I admit I had forgotten it was strictly a combat zone award; however, I was right it can be awarded for meritorious achievement/service not related to actual combat.
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PO2 Seth Carron
I never said that getting major,.life changing injuries such as losing a hand or eye was a requirement, it's just that due to the sheer risk that recipients have put themselves in, it's generally the norm that they end up seriously wounded.
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MSgt Gary Cooley
Msgt (retired), I believe they were not the type of person who were seeking the limelight, they were soldiers who did unbelievable things in an unbelievable moment in history, I don't think you will ever find a MOH winner who thought this will get me my MOH, no they are men who fought hardest when their chances were least, they were men doing their duty trying to survive and then thrust into the light where everyday they get to relive the worst day of their lives, most often their sacrifice came when others died. There is a reason why most MOH medal recipients receive the medal posthumously.
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Like all generalizations (including this one) this statement is erroneous on its face. But several have already cited reasons that a lot of MoH recipients do not remain in: 1) the award was posthumous; 2) they received serious injuries; 3) they never intended to be career anyway. On the other hand I have know two who both remained in long after the award. One was awarded the MoH for actions in Korea as TSgt (USMC had that rank in those days). When I met him, he was a CWO-4 (prior to CWO-5 creation) and a "bursting bomb" Marine Gunner. That was some 20 years after his award. He was pretty "salty" (deservedly so) and when I asked if he always talked to the CG the way he did on the phone while I was sitting there, he responded, "Hell, Skipper, there ain't no W-5 board this year!"
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SSgt Jon Rushton
SgtMaj. Kellogg was in K-Bay when I was stationed there in the early 80's, and he stayed in long after he received his. He was a great man to talk to, and a very down to earth person. As a young LCpl, he would talk to you like he would any other person. I had the utmost respect for that man.
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LtCol George Carlson
I should add that the conversation (at least the half I heard) wasn't blatantly disrespectful, but a lot more "blunt" than I would have dared as a young captain. The Gunner's portion (beyond the basic greeting) went something like this. "No, sir." ... "General, you don't want to do that!" ... "Sir, that's a kakamammi idea!"(Hang up).
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LCpl Orval Walker
SSgt Jon Rushton - He's was our guest speaker at SULC school graduation in Feb 87.
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Col Jonathan Brazee
SSgt Jon Rushton - I first met SgtMaj Kellog at the same time as I first met Col Fox. I was standing in line at the birthday pageant when Kellog, who was right in front o f me, turned around, and I had his MOH in my face. Not knowing what else to do, I turned as well to see who was talking to him, and there was Fox, right behind me. I was sandwiched by MOH's. I slowly backed up and took a couple of steps to the rear so the two could visit. I was lucky enough to serve with Col Fox later.
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The award is very rare. The only time I have ever seen a man wearing the award in person was of all places Iraq. I had just cleared my weapon and turned the corner behind a concrete barrier into the chow hall at TQ when a tall civilian crassed before me. Around his neck was a strange baby blue scarf I could not see from far away. Suddenly the bronze gold colors of the star afixed to the ribbon came into focus. The man was my father's age a Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam war. Now I had a real problem, there was a MOH clear as day but I was in a war zone, do I solute or not. I decided the jersey barrier wall provided the man enough cover so I came to the position of attention and rendered a salute. The man humbly thanked me and sook my hand. When I entered the chow hall i found several other men all with the same aware around their necks. It was a stange occurrence to see these men all in their sixties over there in Iraq to support us, their generation of veterans is one of great humility and fortitude, thank you gentlemen.
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SPC Andrew Martin
Sgt Dave Herrington according to AR 600-25 customs and courtesies a MOH recipient is entitled to a salute by everyone that's army regs search it or look in the board study guide to find the answer easier I suggest you check regs before spouting off
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SMSgt James Hale
You provided the appropriate salute--period. They were not outside the wire in the red zone but behind walls designed for cover and safety. For most, its not everyday you meet a MOH and that is distinct enough. Good job...
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CSM Thomas Ray
I was at Al Asad in 2006 and was the official escort for the MOH recipients that visited, it was an honor and most were my age and Viet Nam vets, probably why I was chosen to be the escort.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
SSG Edward Tilton - He proved the right wing plot to take over American which aw was easy since the dipshits like Prescott Bush tried to recruit him.
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PO1 James Crowell
The guy won 2 MOH's he can pretty much put his hands where ever he damn well pleased.
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Not all do. In Air Assault School @ Campbell in '75, graduation day, and I came around a corner at a high rate of speed, almost knocking over one of the instructors. First thing I saw was this leeetle baby blue ribbon with white stars. Stopped, rendered a salute, and moved out. It was so unexpected, and shocking that I have never been able to remember his name to my regret.
In a similar vein, in the civilian world, I worked with another recipient at a job I won't mention so he won't be identified. Because of his acclaim and ability, he was given a good position and did his job as expected. A new plant manager took exception to what was being done, and Fired him. He laughed as he walked off the property, returning in a day or two to a new plant manager :)
In a similar vein, in the civilian world, I worked with another recipient at a job I won't mention so he won't be identified. Because of his acclaim and ability, he was given a good position and did his job as expected. A new plant manager took exception to what was being done, and Fired him. He laughed as he walked off the property, returning in a day or two to a new plant manager :)
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Not everyone joined the military to be a careerist. Being awarded the MoH doesn't change that. The same reasons people stay or get out still apply to MoH recipients. BTW, the reason why it seems that MoH recipients all get out after they are awarded it is because a) the medal is so damn rare that there is just not enough of a population to get a good generalization regarding whether they tend to stay or go....and half the time the medal is awarded posthumously which decreases the population even more, b) many are so severely injured they HAVE to retire from the service, c) many recipients had already gotten out by the time their medals were finally approved. Then there are the reasons already mentioned (pressure from the status, trauma, etc).
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CPO Cory Cook
I came across two MOH recipients in my time, both early in my career (early 70's). First was at an inspection at a service school. He showed up without it and was ordered to put it on as he was out of uniform. The second was a Navy Birthday Ball. The formation DID salute the MOH as well as the party when it was announced. At the first it was explained to me that we saluted the MOH, just as we salute the flag. I took it to mean (and kept it that way), that we salute one, we salute all, for what it represents.
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MSgt Rod Manning
I have had the great honor & privilege of meeting four MOH recipients during my 24 years of active duty. Each one was a clearly exceptional & modest individual. I am in awe of anyone who had the courage to do what they had to have done to earn the highest military award our country offers.
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CW2 Robert McCarty
We had two individuals receive the MOH in our 1/503 173d Recon platoon within 6 months of each other. One was KIA and the other is still alive. CO round filed one write up so he didn't actually receive the award until 2000 when the recommendation was revisited.
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I think a lot of people leave the military because they end up medically retiring. If you find yourself with an MoH, my guess is theres a good chance you also have a Purple Heart. So they might not have the choice of remaining in. In fact I think Ty Carter petitioned to come back in. The MoH recipients might not finish their twenty because they are able to retire earlier.
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SSG Mike Oshaughnessy
Adding to this, given the amount of time between nomination and awarding, they may also choose to ETS/EAS.
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SPC Douglas Smith
So, the recipient received 1200/month. That's not much at all. We need to do better for our troops. We all know people that cheat the system and get 100% from the VA. these MOH recipients deserve more.
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