Posted on Jul 24, 2020
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I have met many people I served with who have degrees in: interdisciplinary studies, weapons of mass destruction, counter terrorism, English, psychology from online degree mills.
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I don’t think an English degree is useless. Have you even seen how some of our senior enlisted leaders write. Young officers too. So what degrees do you see as not being useless? My daughter has an electrical engineering degree and is an artillery officer. My History degree got me a one way ticket to flight school. The army thrives in diversity. We don’t put all the square pegs in the square holes.
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PO1 Yeoman
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Now the SECDEF is promoting a Bachelors in WOKE military 101.
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1SG Brian Adams
1SG Brian Adams
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You omitted Senior Officers....hmmm?
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PVT Michael Davis
PVT Michael Davis
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It is through our diversity that we overcome our adversaries. Their monolithic thinking encouraged by their political masters is a very important part of the reason we overcome ALL ENEMIES, Foreign and Domestic (Trumpites.)
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SFC Jim Freshour
SFC Jim Freshour
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PVT Michael Davis - AHHH, the old "diversity is our strength" line. What a load of shit. Did you learn that in your queer studies classes?
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Maj John Bell
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For the same reason so many civilians have useless degrees.

They go to college with no idea of what they want to do in life, and they've never had to bust their hump in a hardworking skilled trades job, or done factory work. Then someone tells them that a degree in Romance Languages, or Philosophy, or Art Appreciation is their ticket (for maybe 1% in those studies it is.)

Best thing my Dad ever did for his two boys. At age 14 we had to start paying room and board, buy our own cloths, school supplies, and entertainment. I never drove a car that belonged to Dad, and Dad did not pay my auto insurance.

Back then there weren't many jobs in Tucson for healthy juvenile boys during the summer, that weren't essentially "sweating your ass off in the red hot Arizona sun. By the time I was 18, I already had a skilled trades job, and growing side business of my own, with 3 part-time employees, that would have provided a respectable blue collar lifestyle for me, a wife and a couple of kids." Fortunately, I didn't have the wife or the kids yet. But I knew I wanted more than the red hot Arizona sun.

PS Dad invested the money, and gave it to us on our 18th birthday. Then, he gave us notice that we had one week to move out after HS graduation.
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PO3 Master-at-Arms
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Im not a parent yet, Major, but youve just given me some parenting inspiration. I want to prevent my kids from making the same financial mistakes as me. I was the guy pissing away all his checks in high school and even in the military. Now i have a budget, and will be living within my means because i want financial freedom. Im a little late to the show, but im working toward it. Thank you for sharing your story sir.
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Maj John Bell
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PO3 (Join to see) - The single most important thing you can teach your kids is

***DO NOT GO INTO DEBT*** for fun/nice to have/non-necessity items. If there is a great deal now that requires debt, there will be another great deal when they can pay cash, out of pocket.

I can't tell you how many of my peers suffered from a situation the interest on unnecessary debt was one of the top 1-3 monthly household expenses.
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PO3 Master-at-Arms
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Maj John Bell absolutely, I've found out about debt the hard way. Once im debt free, i refuse to ever have consumer debt again. On another note, its a small world being that you grew up and hour northwest of where i grew up (Sierra Vista, AZ)
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Maj John Bell - .....
MAJOR?..... I'll Be 80 Years Of Age, on 06/29/2024.
I Applied For And Received My FIRST CREDIT CARD,About 3 Years Ago....
And ONLY Because Need It To Make Purchases On Line.
And All Of My Life ~ As Confirmed By Dunn & Bradstreet, And To MY Surprise As Well,
I've NEVER As Much As Made A Late Payment, And That INCLUDES 27 Years Of Being In Business. ~ Self Employed... .Improper Use Of Credit And Credit Cards Can Be A Real Killer To Ones Standard Of Living; ~ It's Best To AVOID It. ~ They're Seldom Necessary
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Not just in the eyes of our Army but the eyes of our society as well, a degree puts you above your peers without one, regardless of what its in. In my opinion, this happens because a degree shows a dedication to something and the base skill level that comes with completing a college course. I have my first degree and I am working on my second at this very moment. I cannot explain the time management skills that I have sharpened and learned from doing this. I juggle being a recruiter full time, a family with two babies, a side business, friendships and my college all at once. Doing so and being successful teaches extreme time management. That is a trait that any leader at any level should have. Simply just one example, but IMO that is why. Its more than a degree, its a commitment to bettering yourself and being a soldier past the typical 9:00 to 5:00 mindset.
A1C Jennifer Israel
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SSG (Verify To See) well said!
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A1C Jennifer Israel
A1C Jennifer Israel
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PO3 Dale S. Getting your degree shows more discipline and dedication!!!
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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PO3 Dale S. - Sgt Tom Verify might have been condescending in your eyes however you did not deny his original statement. I remember once having the same attitude towards a degree as you then I completed both a BSN and an MSHS and now agree with SSG Clint Underhill 100%.
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It’s always easier to downplay something when you are on the outs looking in. MAJ Byron Oyler
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Why do so many people in the military have useless degrees?
CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Worthless degree Vs. degree that one does not use! Pretty much the same. Bottom line is the soft skills that are attained. The ability to research, evaluate, assess, write, time management, creative thinking, networking etc.

I do not care to look for a study, I would venture to bet the vast majority of persons who hold degrees do not work in that field.
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LCpl Sidney Green
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A jury of your peers. Whom would rather have on that jury? A group of high school dropouts or college educated?
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Don’t really care. I served with many folks who got a GED after joining the service who were good, smart people with all the common sense in the world.
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SSgt Veronica Fraga
SSgt Veronica Fraga
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I absolutely agree with your comment about the soft skills one learns through earning college degrees. I got a degree in English, half before and half after my AF service as a Public Affairs Specialist. After getting out, I worked another 10 years in marketing communications. I then went on to earn masters degrees in business (followed by work in management consulting), then in clinical social work (followed by 8 years at the VA, helping formerly homeless veterans adjust to new homes obtained through the HUD-VASH program). So for me, each degree was intentional and helped me transition into a new chapter of my career. One reason for this just dawned on me -- I had no plans to go to college after high school because my dad couldn't pay for it. It wasn't until one of my friends enrolled in a community college that I learned such a thing existed. So I started there and just kept going.
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SGT James Searle
SGT James Searle
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In light of your efforts to assist homeless vets, "Thank you for your service" clearly applies to you much more than it does to some others (including me).
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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What a lot of people do not understand about college is it is more than just the degree, it is what you go through to obtain it and the person you become. Some degrees admiringly are a joke but a good many developed the person in so many ways. My bachelorette made basic training seem a like a long summer camp and when you take multiple experiences and put them together, you achieve a product. I can remember studying my last semester until 0230 or 0300 certain days and at clinical by 0630. I missed the days of AIT where the DS went through the barracks and made sure you were in bed by 2130.
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1LT Medical-Surgical Nurse
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Agreed sir. The time I spent getting my two bachelors was significantly more difficult than my enlisted time. The biggest difference is that nobody is “holding your hand” in college. You either sink or you swim.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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I Know A Little About College Educated People... ~ MAJOR BYRON OLYER ~
In Fact Some Worked For Me. And I'm A WELL-Self- Educated 8th Grade DROP OUT....
I FIRED 1 & Re-TRAINED The Other 3 To Become Better Purchasing Agents.;
As F.M.C's.Purchasing Department Director..In The Indiana Fire Truck Division.
I Was Transferred & Promoted From The One Of It's Michigan Plants..
Our Plant Manager, Jim McClung, & I Became Friends About The Time He Completed
HIS PhD, In Business Management.. .He Asked Me This:
"Rick, Do You REALLY Know What PhD Means"?. I Said, "Uh.. Ya, I THINK So, Why"?
He Replied, "It Only Means It's "Piled Higher And Deeper"; Because As Far Actually Learning And Knowing More; That's No More Than A Joke.. You'll Learn More Doing The Job Than Reading About It".
And THAT'S No Joke, We ALL Did. As Most Do...
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SFC Marc W.
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I'm not sure what your personal vendetta against interdisciplinary studies is. I earned my IDS degree online while active duty infantry. I also blended it with political science and history. Now I have a completely different way of thinking about and approaching problems because of this "useless" degree. I also got mine from an accredited university, and no it wasn't easy.

I also had a 1sg who got his degree online while making his wife do his work. Maybe it's not the degree that's useless, just the person who holds it.
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SGT James Searle
SGT James Searle
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Well said---education is a tool; how useful that tool proves to be depends on who's using and how s/he uses it.
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SPC Nancy Greene
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IMHO, the Military tend to just look at Batchelors Degree and don’t really care about the actual field of study
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SPC Nancy Greene
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definitely, they are usually licensed as well or at least certified MSgt (Join to see)
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SGT James Searle
SGT James Searle
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SGT (Join to see) - Your second sentence is a tad categorical, I think: certainly many interdisciplinary programs are a "complete joke"; however, just as certainly, others expand and enhance the life of the mind.
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SPC Nancy Greene
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Definitely Agree; however what can anyone actually do with a Batchelors Degree in Leisure Studies? ISGT James Searle
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SGT James Searle
SGT James Searle
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Perhaps volunteer to be the unit's goldbrick?
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Because a degree is CHECK THE BOX. Soldiers probably chase their interests OR choose the path of least resistance. Generally, an Officer career only requires "a degree" not a specific one (except lawyers, chaplains, and doctors). My professional credentials and graduate degrees are entirely useless in the military. I have a Masters in Finance and a CFA with 20 years in finance, but I'm not in the Finance Branch. I could have direct commissioned as a Finance CPT (there are regs for that), but that window wasn't open to me at the time I needed it. So the paths we choose in life don't usually line up perfectly to be the singular branch that leads directly to the first root in the tree of life.

It's why I tell my soldiers, anyone standing there in formation in their mid 20's currently only holding a high school diploma, that the path to FULL COL has not been closed to them yet. The deal breaker for ever getting the first step toward that path is a 4 year degree, and it generally doesn't matter what it is in or even where it came from.

If a soldier can do an active duty contract, and knock out as much on-line General Education course work as possible (essentially a year's worth). Then, when they get out the GI bill should carry them through the rest of a 4 year degree if they don't squander it.

When I was in Intel school the local community college hooks up soldiers in the 35 series MOS to get 20 SEMESTER units of "intelligence operations" college units. These units could be used for electives (and are nearly an ENTIRE YEAR'S worth of units), OR if the soldiers already had their general education knocked out they could transfer them to the school, and then get an Associates Degree in Intel Operations (which I did) for ONLY $50.

I was banging my head against a wall trying to get all the kids to BUY into this because if you don't have a degree, and in the future you are trying to get those last few units of electives it sure would be nice to have 20 semester units floating around to apply to anything for the sake of filler units.
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SGT Civil Affairs Specialist
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Sounds like you’re doing your troops a solid. Just make sure their plan works if they want to pursue a job outside the military (no useless degrees etc.)
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SGT David Wyatt
SGT David Wyatt
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SGT (Join to see) for the 22 years I worked in corporate America almost nobody I worked with was working in their field of study.
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SSgt Lonnie Montgomery
SSgt Lonnie Montgomery
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Sound advice for anyone, CPT. The military cultural thrives on helping those that want or need it, especially those that are pursuing a college education. For those that are on the fence about starting the journey talk it over with anyone in your chain. I believe you will find plenty of 'seniors' willing to "pay it forward" and be a mentor to you. It will open doors that would not have available otherwise.
Remember once you complete yours now you have an unwritten obligation to also "pay it forward" when it becomes your turn.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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I would submit to you that all bachelor degrees are a useless variety unless they are part of a licensing requirement, like Nursing, Accounting, or Engineering. The purpose of a degree is to show that you are capable of getting one. Most jobs that require a bachelor degree as a hiring prerequisite don’t require the studies to be in any specific area.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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I have a completely uselss bachelor's degree. It is in "General Studies." But it was the quickest way to a BS. And my BS doesn't matter, it was a means to an end, that end being Grad School. I am now working on a Master's of Adult Education, which will NOT be useless.

And even the "useless BS" still means I can put down a degree on my resume.
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