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I have met many people I served with who have degrees in: interdisciplinary studies, weapons of mass destruction, counter terrorism, English, psychology from online degree mills.
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A college education, like anything in life, is what you make of it.
Whether it is a "degree mill" or sitting in a classroom at a 150 year old campus, you can walk away still writing at a 6th grade level, or you can develop the critical thinking and analytical skills that will make you better in any kind of job.
On average, only about 27% of college grads work in their field of study.
https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr587.pdf

That varies by field, of course, over 50% for elementary ed and accounting, close to 0% for "liberal arts", etc.
The private sector, much like the military, has jobs where a college degree (specific field or any field) is required, and jobs where the degree is not required but makes you more competitive.
And since 83% of those in the military today will not stay in for 20 years and will need a career, (and many that do collect retirement will need a second career) that "degree in anything" along with military experience usually results in a well-rounded individual with a higher chance of success in that next job.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Not so much as useless degrees as focused. Why does an Infantry Officer need an electrical engineering degree - counter-terrorism would likely be more useful. Using their psychology degree to better understand people would probably have benefits.
I took two years of Fire/Rescue/EMS/Disaster-Management technical courses both inhouse, online, diagnostic-tested, benchmark tested and finally got my degree after 5 years.
They all helped me organize myself and plan for future operations better in my active military days. It was a wider view of what I did on a day to day basis.
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I like Ralph's use of the term ". . . .a wider view. . . ." ". . . .a wider view. . . ." is what EARNING a degree is all about. The attitudes, beliefs, and values that spawn an expression such as ". . . .useless degrees. . . ." is the opposite of ". . . .a wider view. . . ."
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CPT Catherine R.
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I got my degrees in the Military, Associate of Arts in general studies to knock out the Gen Ed. requirements, & a Bachelors of Science in Accounting. I did complete an MBA later on as a personal goal.

My degrees were a means to an end. They show that I can complete something and have a decent amount of education - they don't make me a better person or worker. My personal traits and critical thinking skills do that did. I don't consider an accounting degree a useless degree BUT I've never worked in accounting and really don't know much about it now - in that respect I would be useless in the accounting field. Instead, I work in IT, which I don't have a formal education in but know a lot more about.

I hire IT professionals, and other members of a project team. Many of my positions require a degree to be competitive - I honestly don't care what it is in, where it's from or what their GPA was. Once they're a professional their work experience is what matters to me. Some times an online degree is all that person can get - its hard to go to class on top of a full days work. If they still managed it then I have respect for them and their accomplishments.

If you believe these other degrees are useless then more power to you, but does it really matter to you what others chose to study? My son is in ROTC now, he knows he's going to go active duty when he graduates so he's doing a degree in what he enjoys as it's a means to an end. Yes, he'll have an Electrical Engineering degree but I doubt he'll ever actually work in the field. What he NEEDS is a bachelors so he can commission.
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Catherine, yours is a GREAT response to the question "Why do so many people in the military have useless degrees?" This question is an assumption question. It assumes that one already thinks many in the military have useless degrees. I think one needs to stop and to challenge this assumption. I think you've done this very effectively in your response. And for that, I salute you!
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English is not a useless degree. English majors read. A lot. And I’m doing so, they learn to critically analyze and communicate. Those are not useless skills in the military. On the contrary, they’re very important. COL Harris made some great points about writing in the military. Those skills are really applicable to any field.

As for WMD? Now that the counter-WMD belongs to SOF, I’ve gotten a chance to learn a lot more about this and it is waaaaay more complicated than I ever thought. Explaining that is beyond the scope of this forum, but I do think it’s absolutely critical to have experts that focus on this and only this, since it’s one of those fields that has a lot of players involved, but very little integration, cooperation and overall command and control up until recently. I don’t see this as a useless field either.
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That certainly is true about writing and reading a lot does go hand in hand with skill. I have a BS degree in Criminal Justice which did apply to My occupation as a civilian Police Officer as well as My Military skill in the Police Field as well. Within that field of study there was also some strong course on English and Communication. I used all those skills both as a senior NCO or preparing reports for prosecution on Criminal Court proceedings. The ability to write can make the difference in even getting an interview in the first place let alone being hired. When I was the first called out of 850 applications and hired it seems that worked . I held that job for over 20 years. I have taught people how to write including My own daughter and She went from a C to an A due to Her writing skills. That skill stayed with her through high School and into college where She graduated No 1 in a Class of 1,500 with Her BS degree.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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There are some useless degrees out there...I don't understand why a pilot has a degree in nuclear physics etc. I do understand the degrees in WMD, counter terrorism, military studies etc...they do come in handy. But you are right, the military most times want a degree to see if yo are disciplined enough to have critical thinking skills for education that leads to critical thinking skills on the battlefield.
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Cpl Mark A. Morris
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This issue you have brought up is more about completing a task. It shows an individual can win. A four year degree can help in several areas.
Communication on a subject, or subjects has helped me in the past.
Armies may travel on their stomachs. But without proper communication, they are divided. Divided we fall.
Have a great day SGT.
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Hi Mark, I've had to read your post several times to "get" what you are saying! ". . . .(it's) about completing a task." One ". . . .can win." Arrogance runs in my family, from my dad (the oldest) on down through the bunch of them. Examples that support my initial, concluding statement, above include: "I already know all that!" "Getting a degree is a waste of my time plus, already knowing everything makes getting a degree boring." My response to such thinking was (and still is), "If I already know everything, then it'll be quite easy to get a degree or get several degrees."
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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For many people a degree was a ticket to a commission. That was my situation. I knew I wanted to be an AF officer so I took ROTC and a history and political science major. Stuff I liked and was good at. Later on the AF made it very clear that having a Master's Degree would help a captain make major. Choices from on-base university extensions were limited, so I took counseling and human resource management. It worked. I was promoted to major and selected for a regular commission. The two schools I went to for my MA artfully crafted their tuition to stay within the rate the GI bill paid. Degree mill? Not exactly. We did have to show up for most classes and write a few papers.
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LtCol Robert Quinter
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Many classes leading to degrees are offered offered by creditable institutions both on base and on line. In my case, I was required to have a degree for promotion past Captain and attended on base classes offered by Southern Illinois University.
What is the value of the degree? It is another positive on your record as you compete for promotion and something civilian employers still look for as an indication of self discipline. In my experience, few liberal arts degrees directly apply to civilian or military positions
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Sgt,

No degree is useless. One thing I have learned is that even an online degree is valuable. Take it from a mere specialist who in the civilian world has two Masters; a MBA and a Masters in Cyber Security, and a DBA candidate in Business Intelligence. While I learned many concepts and theories, the most valuable lesson I learned was time management (Most of my degrees were online from ERAU). Time management was a fundamental skill I learned in online schooling, going through JCAC now (the hardest schooling I have been through) I learned how valuable online schooling was for me. JCAC is hard, but not because of the content. JCAC is challenging because of the amount of material covered in such a short period of time. My peers are one of the smartest kids I have met, but failed because of not properly managing their time. I strongly believe the Army; in this case, require some sort of time management course prerequisite prior to JCAC to minimize the drop out rate. My point here is that time management attained through college or some sort of training is valuable for success. A lot of the knowledge attained faded, but time management stuck. Reading the other comments, I agree with most. It does not matter what degree you have, but the discipline learned while attending. Just two cents from a humble Specialist, who joined to serve his country and contribute in any way possible. God speed.

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Such a vain industry. I don’t see why he is not on the radio because of his looks? Like you said, he is a smart and a nice fellow. As stated by you, he is an asset. Some industries, such as the one you mention, it is also about who you know. I bet he learned a lot from his experience. At the end of the day, it all depends on one’s confidence and networking abilities. In this gentleman’s industry it seems like looks has something to do with it as well. With his skill he may be able to do behind the scenes stuff, or perhaps seek out a different employer. I wouldn’t hold another broom and waste my time, I would seek out someone who would value my skill and me as a person.
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Humm, why are you still a SPC? Go get a commission soonest.
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The military doesnt care what degree people hold because it is all OJT. The military will train and certifiy you on whatever they want you to do. There are a lot of people in the civilian market that don't use their degrees either. Met one guy with an electrical engineer degree, he sold elevators. Didn't have anything to do with the engineering of said elevators, je obpy taled with customers and passed soecs to the conpany engineers.
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*He only talked with customers and passed specs to the company engineers.*
Sorry, fat fingers on tiny buttons.
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