Posted on Jul 3, 2016
Why do units insist that a SM wear the unit patch as the combat patch while deployed with that unit? I resist this.
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I will put this way, if you are married why do you force your spouse to wear her/his wedding ring while you are deployed?
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Hey, stupid, quasi-related question:
You deploy with Unit A... then you deploy with Unit B. Now you're assigned to Unit C. Which combat patch do you wear, A or B? Is it your choice or are you supposed to wear the most recent?
Thanks!
You deploy with Unit A... then you deploy with Unit B. Now you're assigned to Unit C. Which combat patch do you wear, A or B? Is it your choice or are you supposed to wear the most recent?
Thanks!
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SFC (Join to see)
The correct answer is that you can wear any SSIFWTS that you are authorized (typically a unit you are/were assigned or attached to while in an appropriately designated theater of operations), or you can choose not to wear any SSIFWTS.
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SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret)
Wearers choice except when uniformity is a must. I had four combat patches I was authorized to wear one for each uniform.... However when we were redeploying to the states as individual redeployers the 4th ID CDR stated that EVERY SOLDIER would debark the plane wearing 4 ID patches. He wanted everyone to be the same for the homecoming. The CG said it so we did it. They provided everything... Soon as I was released I put the appropriate patches back on... Had nothing to do with who I deployed with or assigned to. However, I didn't leave the AO wearing it I did for the reception....
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SSG Edward Tilton
I Vietnam during the build up, I would have changed patches six times in a year. We didn't wear any Combat Patches and what patches we did wear were on those plastic thing that hung from our shirt pocket.
Patches were invented so Commanders could identify their troops in combat, So what is the purpose of a subdued patch?
Patches were invented so Commanders could identify their troops in combat, So what is the purpose of a subdued patch?
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MCPO (Join to see)
SSG Edward Tilton - Ed, you have two targets down range. One is dressed all in camo - the other is wearing camo with a brightly colored patch that shows you where their shoulder is - and if you are lucky, they are wearing TWO brightly colored patches that show you BOTH shoulders (and, by extrapolation, where to aim between those shoulders).
Which target will you choose to engage? I know what my vote would be.
Which target will you choose to engage? I know what my vote would be.
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It's kind of ridiculous how many changes have been made to the AR. When my battalion was deployed in 05-06 we were awarded 4 combat patches. 2 of which are marine corps patches. Now according to the AR we aren't allowed to wear the marine corps patches. But I don't think anyone in the brigade even cares what it says. I've seen full bird Colonels on down the line, and CSM's on down the NCO ranks wearing one or the other or alternating between 3 of the patches including the marine corps patches.
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Don't be selfish... Wear your units patch with pride! The argument is not necessary!
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MSG Dan Castaneda
I agree. If your command wants you to wear the unit patch to the unit you are assigned to, then just wear it and carry on. No need to highlight yourself for stupid shit. If there is anything I've learned in 21 years of service, its to pick your battles wisely.
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I referred my Command to DA PAM 670-1 when I was lectured about wearing my 4ID patch (from OIF 1&2) instead of the patch for this most recent deployment. The BC outright said he tried to find a way to make everyone wear the same combat patch, but later he relented. As for this nonsense about "not offending rookies", I don't need to remind anyone that we were all rookies at some point in time. My leaders before me had earned their combat patches and I knew, even as a PFC, that my time would come to earn mine. For that matter, that's the mentality I expect from my subordinates in this day and age.
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We didn't wear our unit's patch as our combat patch when deployed (but we deployed 2002-2003. Different time...blah blah blah). I probably would do the same if I were in your boots. I guess they may have you wear it for esprit de corps during deployment and uniformity. But, you can always chose to wear what is "authorized". It's not mandatory, like nametags, US flag, branch of service. Hell, we had a COL who served in Vietnam during our deployment who had his combat patch + "tower of power" (SF, Airborne, Ranger). And no one questioned why he wore that and not the other badges he earned on his uniform.
However, it became interesting when our deployment was over, as we had 3 patches to choose from:
3rd MEDCOM The unti responsible for us during deployment. (And I say responsible tongue in cheek...)
ARCENT (Over 3rd MEDCOM and a glorious history of being Patton's Army patch, but pretty common)
IMEF (Marine Division we supported when OIF kicked off). We chose IMEF because of the uniqueness of the patch & the honor we had in providing support/assistance for our Marines.
However, it became interesting when our deployment was over, as we had 3 patches to choose from:
3rd MEDCOM The unti responsible for us during deployment. (And I say responsible tongue in cheek...)
ARCENT (Over 3rd MEDCOM and a glorious history of being Patton's Army patch, but pretty common)
IMEF (Marine Division we supported when OIF kicked off). We chose IMEF because of the uniqueness of the patch & the honor we had in providing support/assistance for our Marines.
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SGM Joel Cook
Interesting, things definitely work differently at Guard and Reserve units. Both times I deployed to combat zones the orders were cut at about 32 days time in theater and distributed via Xerox copy to each soldier NLT 40 days in country. There may have been one or two examples of people that got them a couple days later but we got confirmation of distribution of the orders from the unit commanders by day 45 in theater. You should have gotten your orders in a similar timeline. Even if you were remotely deployed away from your HQ. You should have got those orders. It is such a long time ago now those orders are no doubt lost. I guess if I were in your situation I would attempt to find out what SSI-FWTS my CDR/1SG was wearing for that deployment and hope it is the correct patch.
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SGT Tracey "Tra" Cooper-Harris
SGM Joel Cook - Roger that. I reconnected with folks in my unit. Just have to get a copy of those orders. We weren't remote, but the unit was split up all over the AOR from Qatar to Djubouti, Kyrgyzstan to Oman & Kuwait during the 1st 6 months of our deployment. Then we were assigned to support I MEF for OIF I. Also had to reach out to National Archives for other medals we should have been authorized, but no orders after I left the unit (JMUC, ICM, Overseas Service Bar). I do have those updated on my newest DD 214, but this was just in the last year due to corrections being handled by a board versus NPRC for our individual service branch.
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CW5 (Join to see)
I deployed 4 times. The only orders I have for the SSI-FWTS are for the 1 MARDIV patch during my time in Ramadi. I do, however, have the TCS orders sending me to deploy and the UICs of the units deployed in the task force. From what I understand, that serves as orders enough.
None of this is in my OMPF though so how do the board members know what I was authorized?
None of this is in my OMPF though so how do the board members know what I was authorized?
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SGM Joel Cook
CW5 (Join to see) - sir, those are S1/G1 functions. It often depends on how long ago the deployment was. I have seen people get it fixed by contacting other soldiers that were co-deployed with them and getting a copy of their old orders. However many would consider that an end around run or a back door fix. I would first try contacting the Unit Commander and thru him S1/G1. If the CDR was in a totally different area than you I would try the highest ranking officer co located with you. Unfortunately you being a CW-4 that would probably be you. Officers and Senior NCOs are usually the ones with the best grasp of orders. I would stick to those people. Those orders missing from your OMPF could adversely affect your medical and or promotion status. I do remember one guy saying he used the orders from an award he received as proof of deployment, the G1 used those award orders to cut him SSI-FWTS orders. That is unconfirmed rumor but worth checking into.
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SSG Kristopher Rigdon You're right, technically, but is this really the hill you want to die on? Wear the patch you want to wear when you return from deployment.
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I was always led to believe "love the one you're with." Thankfully, I haven't been deployed anywhere with a bad unit or a patch I would want to wear on the right sleeve. I hope the same for you!
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SGM Joel Cook
1SG Mike Lavigne, the easy, no conflict answer is to wear the patch of and love the one you are with, but I believe it is the soldier's choice. Not necessarily a bad unit, but the first Combat Patch has more value or perhaps a special attachment to soldiers they were in the same foxhole with. In the case of soldiers who have two or more choices.
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SGM (Join to see)
Oh, no arguments there - I've never been the guy to tell people what to wear on the right sleeve, even in a ceremony or formation. I believe those that made that call for "uniformity" sake are misguided. Like I said, though, I haven't been with a unit whose patch I wasn't honored to wear and bear on the right sleeve!
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The service member is allowed to wear any earned combat zone patch they earned and with velcro it is easy to change.I always liked to pudh the edge carefully staying within bounds (officer in RVN era with 32 months in the country) and elgible for Three. If I hade velcro i would have kept a set of patches and changed them troughout the day for fun. example MACV to work change to 20 ENgr Bde ow way back outside and at lunch maybe wear the ENGR CMD patch simply because I could. But sew on made me fix some one way and others another. It is SM choice what ans wether to wear.
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While I was in the 8th ID we were required to wear the 8th ID patch, once we left the 8th, we could change. I chose the 3AD patch and wore it pretty much the rest of my career until authorized the 1st and 2nd MEF FWD patches.
Unique patches for working for the Marines, I'm proud of the opportunity to have worked with them in the Ramadi area.
Unique patches for working for the Marines, I'm proud of the opportunity to have worked with them in the Ramadi area.
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