Posted on Jan 28, 2017
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CPT Larry Hudson
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A nation cannot exist without security. Freedom cannot exist when citizens are secondary to political ideology and borderless country policy.
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Cpl Software Engineer
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
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CW4 Angel C.
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I don't think our liberties are actually being taken away. Whoever thinks that is just in panic mode. Our American liberty is just fine.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM - I carry too so I understand
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SSG Norbert Johnson
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Can you provide me with a list of what our freedoms are?
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SFC James Asbill
SFC James Asbill
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CW4 Angel C. - Why would prohibiting concealed carry be okay??? What real purpose other than making others feel like they did something does that restriction actually accomplish other than make it a target rich environment for nut-jobs and psychopaths??
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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SSG Norbert Johnson - Norbert, I point you to a piece of paper called the Bill of Rights, that should be your first stop in learning what your FREEDOMS are, actually you should have learned about them in School but with the way the Liberal NEA has bastardized the education process, its no wonder that they allow people to graduate without learning what their GOD given rights are.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
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The balance between Liberty and Security must be struck. That's difficult when the President did not win the popular vote.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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If the democrats had not had people voting numerous times in various precincts and had illegals voting as well in California and New York, (and yes this has been proven look it up) that may not have been the case. That my friend is why we have the Electoral College.
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SFC James Asbill
SFC James Asbill
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And Trump was not the first to win the election without the majority of the popular vote ...
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SFC Everett Oliver
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I don't believe we've actually given up our Liberty. But being a realist, the world changed on 9-11-01 and unfortunately we have to change a little bit with it...
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SFC Charles Temm
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simply b/c people have become indoctrinated that security is a right

our education industry/media/pols have enshrined "you can have anything you want, painfree" and it shows increasingly as Americans demand an immediately rewarding, controversy free environment
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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"He who trades liberty for security deserves neither security or liberty" The current attacks on both the 1st amendment and 2nd amendment are part of a larger strategy to strip people of freedoms and give more power to the government, or , to put it bluntly - the democrats. And the liberal youth are buying it hook line and sinker - they want the government to protect them from ideas, thoughts, and words that offend them instead of using their ideas thoughts and words to counter the Jim Spencers of the world - and have absolutely no idea what they are doing and what the consequences of such a thing are - gun control - yet another freedom they are looking to regulate even further hoping that by banning AR-15's they will gain some security and peace - news flash, laws and regulations will not stop someone from getting these rifles and utilizing them to nefarious means. instead - what you do is punish law abiding citizens and further chip away at the freedoms and liberties enjoyed by all citizens. I fear that in the near future, they will accomplish what they are doing, and then it will blow up in their face when the very changes they enacted are then utilized against them. At that point, I will take my rifles, family and pets and move to a remote location and leave them to the bed they made.
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SPC Daniel Bowen
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Our Founding Fathers had it right, but we must understand and consider where security starts, and where it ends. Self preservation and security is first & foremost an individual responsibility. If we lax in our own personal security and start relying on more protection from police, private security and the government, we are surrendering our rights to personal provided security.

There will always be a give-and-take between security & freedoms, and it is determined by those who provide such security.

The more individual citizens take their own personal security seriously, take on good training and share that with family and friends, will give the government less reason to provide it, and more so, limit the criminal worlds ability and will to act.
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Al Reynolds
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I believe the short answer is because Americans have become lazy in regards to their government... Americans have allowed government to make all the rules for too many years... thus we have security over liberty.

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The Federal government decided how history should be taught nationwide back in 1909... and to my knowledge their curriculum has been followed ever since.

Americans became accustomed to the Federal Government making laws that would instantly correct whatever woes they had back in their home state... Allowing the government to make laws governing their lives has become common place ….and … this is the rub.... Because it is easier and is sometimes more efficient to allow the government to do things. Too often people are yelling at each other over coffee that there should be a 'Federal Law' for this or that.....!!!

Hoover was able to make kidnapping a Federal offense with the Lindbergh kidnapping.... It made since.... the FBI had the resources and they were more efficient then local law enforcement at the time.... Americans bought into this without understanding the political significance... Hoover knew only rich folks were kidnapped.... A kidnapping was good press for our beloved FBI.

Times have changed but the law has not... Today a father who kidnaps his children away from his estranged wife has committed a federal offense... (If local law enforcement wants to play it that way.)

Should the Federal government be able to black mail sanctuary cities just like the Federal government blackmails the public school system.... Nation wide.... Why should the Federal government have so much money that they can demand certain behavior from schools, health departments, and now Sanctuary cities...?

I believe the American people need to study the constitution again and again.... and I believe the American people need to take more responsibility for themselves on the local level.. Should a county judge be allowed to sign a search warrant for the home of a person who is thought to be a threat to himself or to others (for firearms) … and if they confiscate firearms what does a person have to do to have them returned.... Join the Boy Scouts?

The latest danger is the 'Too much cash” scenario. The Federal government has said that I should be treated with suspicion if I pay cash for a new car.... In some cases cash has been confiscated and is ...as we speak... still locked away in a drawer someplace... Why have we allowed the Federal government to do this.... Because we believe it is more convenient to allow the Feds to do what our local law enforcement would take many more hours to do ... and the locals would not be as good at it... Who is better at making a problem disappear than the Federal government.

Security now trumps Liberty because we as a nation have allowed security to trump liberty.
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SPC Gary Hunt
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It gives the government more control over out lives.
There is an old saying, "The King can do no wrong". And, the government has provided that protection to almost all of its employees.
Rather than a single king, now we have hundreds of thousands of them, at the expense of our liberty -- under the guise of security.
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