Posted on May 28, 2015
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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TSgt Mario Guajardo
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I guess times have changed. I retired in 96 but did qualify with the M-16, shot expert the last time I qualified, even though I was aircraft maintenance then when I cross trained to operational intelligence I qualified with the 9mm
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SSgt James Stanley
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I guess that's natural thinking for the Security Forces, since that's your job, but that's not the job of the people that work in the communications center. They have their assigned duties no matter if the enemy is at the door. Usually the Communications Center is the most secure place on the base thanks to Security. Back in the old days, though, when I worked in the Crypto Center in Germany we had M1 carbines and 45's hanging on the walls, and we knew how to use them, but not to go out and fight the enemy. They were to keep people from trying to come in who didn't have a crypto clearance.
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Col Jeffrey Swegel
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Yeah....I will tell you, it'd be an overall good thing if all AF had a working knowledge of firearms.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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I was taught even the AF had an always a rifleman first policy in place it just wasn't enforced!
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MSgt Harold Robinson
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Mishandling your weapon doesn't mean that you are not combat ready. It has to do with Leadership, again not with the training. More airmen need to speak up and stop being so invisible when observing these so called infractions. If an airman is not battle ready rather than blame those in the AFSC/MOS, get the NCO's back in the business of leading and not lagging. Perhaps the problem that you identify with much vigor is not real that wide-spread a problem. Set the example and let your concerns be made know to your 1st line supervisor. That's where it belongs, NOT in social media. MSGT Air Police/Security Police and Aircrew Survival Instructor - AD 25 years most with SAC. 25 more with DoD.
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TSgt Joseph Lessard
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I agree with you. I was an AF aircraft technician 1980s and 1990s. I think, especially those of us around our primary weapons, being aircraft and misslies, should also be trained to defend those weapons systems if the need arises. When I was overseas during the Col War, we did train several times on the M-16. I also trained with the 45 due to extra duty as a cargo load monitor. I believe they later switcch to the 9mm. I also think the AF should have a special ops unit like the Navy Seals. Combat Controllers and PJs are good. But they have certain missions. The German Luftwaffe had the first paratrrop units in war. They were elite. The AF should also have a small elite offensive airbore unit. Death from above. They could hit certain targets behind enemy lines, orsecure certain areas until relieved. Smaller than the Rangers. But very highly skilled in airborne strikes. Why should the other branches get all the elite strike units. The air belongs to the AF.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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Fully Qualified Riflemen, I think you underestimate what that term means or the level of constant traing require to keep trained to that level.

Where exactly hare guy already working 80 a weak on the flight-line going to find the time to have full time training i as a rifleman,

Even AF Security forces do not train to that level of ground combat proficiency, And Marine Or Army rifleman would laugh at anyone who thought that they did. THE USAF has trouble keeping enough skilled techs on the job now so taking them away from those jobs to cover a flaky "what if" would cripple it.
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SSgt Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA) Sensor Operator
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Honestly just feel like it isn't at the top of the to do list for the great majority of Air Force personnel. It's been said before we aren't a ground force, while yes I would pick up an M-16 if the need arises my duties only required me to carry an M-9, plus you being security forces, how would you like to deal with keeping the entire force current and qualified on a weapon they never use? Additionally how many times I hear you guys don't even have enough rounds to spare for your own selves to practice on, just imagine how many more would need to be set aside to keep everyone current? Just not where the Air Force will dump their slush funds, there's bigger fish to fry
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TSgt Eric Lewis
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I thought that all but medical personnel had to be qualified on M16/M4. I know qualified is a loose word to use, but qualified is qualified.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
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I didn't see any difference with Naval personnel either. Most I have met hadn't touched a small arm since boot camp and that included people who were careerists.
I guess I'm surprised since I was a SEABEE and we did regular range time and infantry training. We weren't infantry by any measurement but could at least defend our camps and work sites to some extent.
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