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I did the Job of a Contracting NCO (51C) about the time the MOS was being given to the Army. After doing this job during a deployment I was ready to come home and take that job on full time on the Civilian side, but I don't meet the requirements that everyone is looking for (Accounting Degree / 10 years experience). I have a degree and experience from a deployment working with Civilians, Army, Air Force and Navy, but not 10 years of it....does the fast pace and stress of a deployment experience mean anything?? Just because I don't have an accounting degree does that mean that I can't do the job?? I was given high praise for the work I did being thrown into the job overseas, so does my experience from then carry no merit now in the Civilian job market?

Now I have another MOS (29E Electronic Warfare NCO) that I am trying to get into on the Civilian side and I am once again faced with similar road blocks..."Not enough experience", "Not the right background"...my question is then, how do you gain the experience employers are looking for without getting a chance to do the job? How do I get someone to look past the requirements that cause these jobs to sit open and unfilled so that employers can see the drive that I have to learn and succeed? Are there any surefire tips for me to make this happen?
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SGT James Elphick
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I had similar issues after getting my degree that I would find jobs that I felt I was qualified for but didn't have the experience, then continually wondered how to get the experience. My advice is go for P/T and entry-level positions to start, you don't even have to stay that long, but once you have a job it is easier to find another, better job. Also, just because you don't meet the qualifications doesn't mean you shouldn't apply. Computers will likely filter the original application but HR will look at it from there for interviews. To beat the computer take the job quals and copy and paste them into the end of your resume, make them 1 pt. font and make the color white (the computer will pick it up but no one else will). Finally, don't rely on military-friendly job boards, companies aren't posting there for the most part. My choice is indeed.com. Also, if you do find a job on a job board make sure to go to the company's website and apply, don't use the job board application.

I know it's tough but if you stick with it and work from the bottom up you can make it pretty far pretty fast. Also, if possible keep advancing your education, a Masters is the new Bachelors.
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Very true...I know I listed a few of the big boards, but I'm also on a ton of the other smaller and lesser well known ones, to include ones specifically for Florida and Florida' Veterans. I like the idea of putting the quals in a resume and hiding them...I may really try that!! My masters in on my radar for sure, but there are also other military schools that I need to get into to further my chances as well. I'm willing to start at the bottom, but I have to find that bottom.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) anything you can get into that is relevant to your field will work. I know it's tough, I went through the same thing like I said. Just stick with it though, persistence pays off!
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Oh I definitely will...I'm not the kind of person to give up when faced with a problem...I find ways to adapt (hence why I came here to look for insight from those who have been here before) and overcome!! thanks for the help I will definitely use what you mentioned here to help my chances!
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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Hang in there brother!
A whole lot of what you see in the ads are just raising the bar to keep the number of applicants down and have little to do with the actual job requirements. So don't feel too bad.

Networking is what is going to get you a job. It ain't so much what you know and who you know. Find out where the people that do the work you want to do hang out and go there. LinkedIn might help.

Good luck!
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. the area where the work I want to do is at CENTCOM, SOCCOM, and SOCCENT...its a bit hard to just walk in and hang out...that's the biggest problem I see right now...its such a tightknit community that it makes it extremely hard to break into.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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Roger that.
My guess is those folks just hire each other and never look at the Job sites.
Tough nut to crack man.
Need to know someone that knows someone.
I wonder if you can scan the RP membership for tags ...
Have you looked over at TogetherWeServed?
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No...never heard of it, but I will definitely check them out now that you mention it. There are a few small communities out there in the EW field, but its a bit of the same thing...im on the outside of the kitchen looking in and I can barely see over the counter.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Great Query. My Ancient Black Arts really don't equate well with anything. Smoke and Mirrors based on WWII concepts just tweaked for the Modern World. Cyber Security is pretty much what I did but my skills are very dated and I would need a whole lot of new schooling to be up to date. When I did it the Crypto and Computer were separate units now they are intertwined. I am relegated to being the Historian for the next gen Cyber Security folks.
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Why is it so hard to find Civilian jobs that your MOS is comparable to?
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Some thoughts:
Look for vet friendly companies because they will better understand your background
Adjust your target. Look for entry level jobs with lower education and experience requirements. Then work your way up.
Consider civil service jobs. You get vet preference allowing you to be hired over better qualified non-vets. Also education and experience can be used to offset each other for some positions.
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I am all over USA JOBS, Clearance Jobs, and other military friendly or military based job boards. I'm looking at anything to get my feet wet after that I know my work will speak for itself. I have tested many different types of resumes as well and not much has seemed to help.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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Hang in there is my best advice then. Remain flexible on location.
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@Lt Col Jim Coe thank you! I'll keep plugging away at it...at some point something has to open up.
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Start with the understanding that NCO duties and responsibilities still closely mirror that of NCOs during WWII, when few had even a high school education. We are the equivalent of the blue collar workforce on the assembly lines of GM or Ford.

A degree says one thing that few people (other than employers) think of. No matter how useless it was, it still demonstrates that you had the ability to stick with a 4-year program to the end. That's also something employers are more interested in than what you actually know.

I cannot tell you the number of times I've had junior NCOs tell me they wanted to cash in on their skills in the civilian market, and I have never has ANY come back to tell me it was a good idea. I'm not denigrating your experience or your service, but civilian employers don't evaluate the same way you or I would.

In my opinion, the only way you are going to get a white collar job is with a degree. Sorry, but that's just the way the market is, especially with the current unemployment rate. Unless you are in computer security with a significant track record, you just about have to have a degree. (There is another exception, and that's high security clearance, but the jobs available without a degree are generally overseas.)

And that brings me to another point, whether it applies to you or not. While on active duty, it is fairly easy to earn college credits, if not an entire degree, and generally with low cost. Anyone on active duty who isn't taking advantage of this opportunity is shooting their career in the foot.

It would really be nice if civilians valued military experience the way we do. Not gonna happen, for the most part.

Best of luck to you!
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I have a degree and some experience, but it looks like I was being a bit to apprehensive about submitting resumes or applications due to the requirements the post was asking for. From what I keep hearing I should by all means apply for any and everything I may be interested in. I'm bound to get a responce from someone. I can't be told no everytime!!
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When I was on Active Duty I knew when I wanted to get out so I started looking on job boards almost two years out for what civilian companies were looking for. I found things like six sigma and software skills to be in high demand so I switched degrees and got my six sigma certifications paid for by the military. When I did get out I had a degree and certifications. Then I formatted my resume in civilian lingo. I was in Aerospace Physiology in the Air Force which unless I worked at NASA wouldn't apply so I chose the other skills like management (I was an NCO at the time). Excel, Powerpoint, word, etc. was all on my resume. I didn't land my ideal job but I was patient and kept acquiring more education and certification based on research and I finally made myself a very solid candidate for any job in my field. Oh and don't underestimate your security clearance if you have one.

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I have a lot of tips from here to add into my resume that should now help my chances. Thank for the advise!!
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You're welcome. Good luck and keep striving.
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https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/tgps/ it's an website where you can pull your VMET and it's an military transcript that is translate into cilivan job terms maybe this can you help adjust your currently resume in the future or other soldiers having these issues and concern.. CAC is required .
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Driving around a 70ton M1A1H is frowned upon in the civilian world...it makes me sad :( So now I do HVAC work.
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HAHAHA I cold see how that may be problematic on the streets of MI!!
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SPC Joshua H.
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SSG(P) (Join to see) , couldn't make our roads any worse at least.
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That's true!! My fiancé is from Warren and I have seen how bad the roads are up there!!
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Kind of like 11B - search and destroy the enemy!!
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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The "not enough experience" thing is a crutch. Impress upon whoever you are trying to get employment with, the level of responsibilty you had, the millions of dollars in equipment you managed and the ability to work under incredibly austere and stressful condition. Beats any experience measured in x amount of time.
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Are you on LinkedIn? It seems to be a good resource.
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I am. I update my profile as often as I can.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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good.
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That is a very good point. Sometimes servicemembers have trouble not creating a resume full of military jargon. What employers want to see is dollar signs.

Accountability for $X million worth of hardware with no losses.

Saved $x million through procurement process review.

It's not unlike NCOER comments - measurable, rateable, scalable.
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Keep searching brother! There are matches out there. Please let me know how I can help!
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Thank you Sir! I'm trying, and in the area I'm in there should be something available. I have heard its all about who you know...just nee to find someone "on the inside" that can get my foot in the door or put in a good word for me.
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Check out http://www.LinkedIn.com, create a profile and send a connection request for any questions you may have. Also take a look at http://www.crown.jobs and let me know if there's an opportunity that I can assist you with. What do you want to do?
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I have a profile and I update it often. I will take a look at the other option and let you know!!
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