Posted on Mar 25, 2016
SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds
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PO2 Steven Williams
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I rarely respond to these post but this is a topic I have something important to share. Military rank does not directly reflect your civilian life and success therein. I was in the Navy and achieved the rank of E-5 in 3 years. Had I reenlisted I would have received E-6 and recruiting duty. I did not reenlist as the military was not something I wanted to do with m life. I used my GI Bill and earned my Bachelors in Computer Science and Math after exiting the Navy at 23. I then went on to get my Masters of Business while I was working in a civilian job. I have served as a Director of Vice President for the past 15 years in various roles and have had a Captain in the Reserves report to me. What you do is up to you and your previous jobs including the military have no bearing on what you can achieve in life. What you do to succeed is really up to you and your past experience is but a step to where you want to go!
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SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds
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The reason I ask this is due to the fact that I am in a Security Position with National Guard Soldiers who are E-5s or lower. The two E-5s believe they have some type of rank to hold above not only my, but the other workers heads. And yet, they started right when I did and have absolutely NO rank in the position as of right now.
It is very aggravating and annoying at times for them to think that just because they are Sergeants, they have power in the Civilian aspect.
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1stSgt Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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If they are just prone to being leaders thats one thing, if they are not in a leadership rile and think they get perks that their peers do not, then they need to be put in their place. I am a First Sergeant and work security in the civilian world along with many other reservists of ranks up to LtCol and you would not be able to tell by their deamenor who is what in the military. I work for a Staff Sergeant in the Guard and other than a little banter, he is the boss.
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MSG Scott McBride
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They're going about it all wrong.
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SGT Medical Nco
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While in uniform they are e5 and you are 154 and conduct accordingly. If you all started at your civ security job at the same time they are peers not bosses and your supervisors should remind them of that. If they want to use their expertise and deployment experiences to enhance the skills and abilities of all those around them then that is good. If they think they can boss you off simply because they are sergeants in their army job they are dead wrong.
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SGT Medical Nco
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SGT (Join to see) sorry e4 not 154 darn auto correct
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1SG Jack Crutcher
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Sometimes it is really hard for some to make the transition back to civilian life.
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SSG Brad Kachurka
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It dependss on the job. I've seen military officers who were degreed engineers who did nothing related to their field get circles run around them by nco/technicians and specialists in the field of electronics and petroleum. Biggest thing i unlearned is that in the civilian world is to quit worrying about rank, chain of command and team. Organizations are going to a flat model with much less level of heirarchy and much more accountability at the individual level. Leadership isnt emphasized, accountability and results are what matters.
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Sgt David Hesser
Sgt David Hesser
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I was thinking reading all these post and wondered if I miss read the original statement, but you nailed it Brad while I have employed a lot of people over the years and will always lean towards prior military experience basically because they make better employees, but in the end it is all about who produces is who gets ahead.
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Cpl Gerard Babin
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That's the problem with society in general - Gentlemen when the playing field is flat everyone gets a trophy. This sickens any Veteran that earned his / her position while in uniform. When children are not taught to respect those around them there is chaos. It's like that here where I work. A piece of paper wins over skill and knowledge. I pity this generation. This communist idealism is what is destroying our craft trades and industries. everyone wants a trophy for work they did not or cannot do while those who do the work go unthanked or recognized for their effort.
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LTC John Mohor
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The sooner a former service member learns they have to earn their stripes every day the better off they'll be in the long run. After my initial service when I was rifted off active duty. I remember the only decent paying job I could get to support my wife and i was working in a chicken plant as a supervisor trainee. I took a big bite of humble pie and always tried to let my actions speak loader that words. So far it's held me in good stead to this day. Some good advice was discussed through all these posts hope it helps! Keep up the good work SPC(P) Bassett
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GySgt International It Pmo & Portfolio Manager
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There is no correlation what so ever from an employment perspective. The experience in the resume may help with achieving supervisory or advanced technical positions, but most hiring mangers or companies could give a hoot about your military rank. But most people will give you more respect because of your service.
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If you mean, why do civilians believe their military rank has any relevance to their civilian job. It's difficult to tell why they believe one has anything to do with the other. I've met many retired military working for DoD or DA as civilians, and with very few exceptions, they didn't act as if their military rank carried over. I've seen LTCs and SFCs as GS-12/13 supervisors, and you wouldn't know their military rank unless you knew them personally, or had some "I love me" stuff displayed.
Those that did believe their military rank meant something in their civilian position struck me as being asinine and weren't liked or respected much by their coworkers.
When I retired, my rank qualified me for maybe GS-5/7 positions, but my master's degree qualified me for GS-11/12 positions. After 2 years in the civilian sector, I qualified for, and accepted a GS-13/14 position. My rank had nothing to do with my civilian job, it was education and experience that qualified me.
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LTC John Regan
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In reference to that particular question - it is basically an ego thing. Some folks just can't let go. But there is one thing to keep in mind about the world of defense contracting. Your resume is used to secure new business contracts. Your company uses these former ranks to demonstrate the kind of responsible people they have lined up to do the job.
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Cpl Gerard Babin
Cpl Gerard Babin
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With all due respect Sir, we now live in a society of "Acceptance"where everyone who plays gets a trophy - When we are taught that a man or woman is defined by his / her actions or lack of it becomes extremely important to "not let go" as you put it. IF our honor did not exist or the duty of our "Rank" then we would be no better than the civilians that refuse to step up but want to enjoy everything our service gave them...
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SGT Medical Nco
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Cpl Gerard Babin you literally had nothing constructive to say about his post. In case you misunderstood, I believe the just can't let go refers to people like my former SGM who thought his former military rank gave him the right to be bossy at work, he got fired. The other thing LTC was referring to is, while your rank might not hold water specifically some contractors will taut that they have former field grades working for them as proof that they have battle tested leadership with training, experience, and hard work ethic leading division's in their company/Corp. Please correct me if I'm mistaken col Regan
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LTC Jack Regan
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SGT (Join to see) - Read the first two lines of my response.
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SCPO Investigator
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I don't know why. But I did hear about an Admiral who became a greeter at a Wal-Mart. That could have been a joke and someone was pulling my leg, though!!!
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MSgt George Cater
MSgt George Cater
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Yeah, it was a joke. He clearly wouldn’t have met the minimum qualifications after that lobotomy that comes with flag rank.
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SSG Edward Tilton
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It is a major accomplishment. It gives me an idea of who they SHOULD be
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