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I worked for a defense contractor in USN ship maintenance and I will assure you there was a steady stream of Naval officers taking plum jobs there after retirement. Sometimes I got the idea winning the contract was contingent upon this company hiring a retiring officer to manage the contract.
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EXACTLY! I get you the contract you hire me when I retire. I saw it all the time...
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GySgt David Barber
PO1 (Join to see) There used to be a Navy contractor VITRO, now BAE Systems. I was in an elevator moving a computer stamped Vitro, and a Naval officer saw it and said “Vitro, very important to retire on time.”
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It's simple really - military training is better than most civilian training and it's an accomplishment to be in the US Armed Forces anyway.
.47% of American serve so it's definitely worth something personally and in civilian work.
.47% of American serve so it's definitely worth something personally and in civilian work.
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SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds
Respectively Sir, I agree that it could be worth something at work since it does give you a sense of pride and accomplishment. However, to allow that pride and accomplishment to overrule your better sense of judgment, that is what is intolerable. Where I work, there are no sense in ranks. The gentlemen who have been here for 20-30+ years, yes, they deserve the respect equivalent of those higher in the ranks. For the two that started around the same time as myself however, that is why it is unacceptable. Allowing their ranks to overcome their ego is something I do not tolerate, especially when their, mine or anyone else's rank in this company is completely irrelevant. As most are commenting in response to my question, they just hold it above everyone else's heads to ensure that we know who they are in the Military standpoint.
I appreciate your comment Sir along with the others who have taken the time to openly discuss this point.
I appreciate your comment Sir along with the others who have taken the time to openly discuss this point.
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Not necessarily, in terms of law enforcement my civilian leo training far exceeded my military police training. I live in a military city with multiple installations and many deputies are former MP’s, and doing law enforcement in a large jurisdiction was a reality check for many. I definitely learned the difference between soldiering and policing as they are very different.
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It's a matter of Pride son. We are what we were but hopefully better. Rank on the outside may not have privilege but it does carry a load of earned respect. Most of us hold ourselves to the code we lived by in uniform mainly because civilians do not understand words like duty and honor.
Im 50, a Deck foreman on the LCS project in Marinette, WI. The Naval officers here address me by my rank as I do them and military customs and courtesies are a part of my crews training. The folks we build for deserve that respect and I make sure they get it. Not an "Old Man thing" its a MARINE thing.
Im 50, a Deck foreman on the LCS project in Marinette, WI. The Naval officers here address me by my rank as I do them and military customs and courtesies are a part of my crews training. The folks we build for deserve that respect and I make sure they get it. Not an "Old Man thing" its a MARINE thing.
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People have a tendency to form bias based on a grade or position. However in my unit I find the opposite is also true. Some of my soldiers E4 types sit in higher positions that even myself is striving for, and the E5+ often live as a student or even unemployed. I suppose it is important to understand your success is proportionate to the amount of effort you put into each aspect of your life.
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Other than Rallypoint I can't think of anywhere I use my rank. The fact that I am a retiree comes up and occaisionally my Law Enforcement expeirance are appropriate to the discussion.
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It's just an indication of your level of responsibility in your previous work history.
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It depends upon the civilian position. Some jobs require strong organizational leadership competencies. A senior NCO or a field grade officer would definitely possess greater leadership aptitude than a new soldier. As a section leader I found my experience helped me manage my classroom and professional working groups. I was an effective member of my school's leadership team because of the leadership experience I gained in the military. As a food operations NCO when I was a chef before becoming a teacher, I performed better as an executive sous chef because I had experience as a dining facility manager.
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I think it is a status thing with them they may figure higher in the food chain the further from changing bed pans they’ll be
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
There will be a day when the badic orderly is not there and bed pans are piling up all..somebody gotta get it done !
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Military rank isn't related to a civilian position.
However, I would expect a former military member to hold a civilian position at a similar, or higher, span of control, influence, supervision, and/or management.
Yes, that GS-12 former (INSERT RANK HERE) is just a GS-12. That CEO who was formerly a SPC, is still a CEO.
However, I would expect a former military member to hold a civilian position at a similar, or higher, span of control, influence, supervision, and/or management.
Yes, that GS-12 former (INSERT RANK HERE) is just a GS-12. That CEO who was formerly a SPC, is still a CEO.
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