Why is it that we aren't allowed to protect ourselves?

This is great! I will definitley be sendding this forward!

It's embarrassing when you tell naive civilians that your weapons are locked up in some armory and you can't get to them w/o armory cards. Arm the armed forces and less pointless shootings will happen bc the military will be able to police their own

But Col Charles William, we have a President who apparently does not think we are at war and does not want to see himself as a Wartime President.

As an aside, I didn't make that up. That was actually said to me in so many words by some UNC Chapel Hill educated folks. UNC Chapel Hill is like the Berkeley of the East Coast.

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At the time, I was dating a tree hugging Liberal from Carrboro, NC who worked at UNC Hospitals, and she invited me to a party with a bunch of folks who were all connected with the University.

I kid you not, this is how she introduced me: "Hi, I'd like you to meet my friend Jeff. He's a Christian Conservative and voted for George Bush." When she said that all eyes turned to me and you could feel the knives come out. She left the room and I spent the rest of the night debating with her friends. It drove them nuts that they couldn't out debate a retired jarhead. I was open to change my views IF! they could give me a rational explanation for why they believed what they believed and they simply couldn't come up with anything rational to back up their assertions.

They ended up throwing their hands up in the air and said, "Well, anyone that believes THAT is just plain stupid!" < "THAT" being that there were WMD's in Iraq before we invaded. I said that there were WMD's in Iraq and they said Iraq never had any WMD's. They didn't call Saddam's cousin "Chemical Ali" for no reason. The pictures of the Kurdish villages they gassed were very telling of the symptoms of exposure to a nerve agent. Backs arched, muscles contracted tightly, drooling, death by asphyxiation (as in they were unable to breathe), etc.

Well, they couldn't say I was stupid because I kicked their butts in the debate so bad that they were tag teaming and bringing in reinforcements from the other rooms. It was like a 1 v 6 against these self-professed enlightened academics, and I got blamed for the war in Iraq, for Global Warming, for the New World Order taking over our government, etc. They tried to tear into me, but no sense me being modest, I just turned the questions back around at them and asked them to defend their views and prove beyond doubt that they were right and I was wrong.... And they couldn't.

If you ever debate a Liberal, read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Most have never read it, but it is pretty ingrained in Liberal culture. I learned to debate by observing them, and every time they tried to shift the focus away to another unrelated subject, I called them out and took them to task for trying to change focus, and/or change the subject. When they start calling you names, that's when you know you're hitting right close to home. When the namecalling starts, that's the Liberals firing their FPF. They have run out of sensible argument and they turn to personal attack to try and regain the initiative. BUT if you know that's what you can expect, you'll be ready for it and they won't tip you off balance. Nothing frustrates them more than being taken to task for their underhanded behavior. FWIW.

I truly believe that liberal anti-war for any reason (Democrats for the most part) will be the end of our country. There was a time that liberals also thought that serving in the military was an honest and honorable profession or way to spend your life in service to others. Not so much anymore. Like you said Jeff, liberals today think that anyone who volunteered to serve is either brainwashed or too stupid to have found a better job, or a mercenary. Vietnam killed whatever inclination there was for liberals to serve in the US Military. I won't argue with you about the Iraq War. I think GWB was stupid as a box of rocks for going into Iraq on the reasons that he stated, WMDs. However once, in, all in. Obama made the biggest mistake of his Presidency to keep a campaign promise by not keeping 10K US troops in Iraq as a stabilizing force. No doubt Sadam HAD used chemical weapons in the past on the Kurds, however most of the inspectors said he had largely dismantled his Chemica/Biological weapons capability. His stock of Chemical/Biological Agent shells was old and aging and more of a danger to his own troops and anyone around the stockpile.

Actually, this is not confined to liberals. San Diego ( a definite conservative bastion ) in the 60's and 70's was rife with little lawn signs saying "sailors and dogs keep off the grass". This in a supposed Navy town. The only place we weren't treated like vermin in my eight years was on liberty in Perth and Melbourne, Australia during those years.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling just called for more "Gun Control" this morning on CNN in light of the Chattanooga TN Attacks. More evidence to back up my assertions here that the Flag Officers in the US Military today (along with the top DOD Pentagon Civilians) are very hostile to the 2nd Amendment. They would rather consider more gun control (restricting the availability for millions of Americans to lawfully own Ar-15s and the AK-47 type (center fire semi auto rifle, with detachable box magazine, apparently used by the Violent Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist to commit his act of murderous terrorism), along with High capacity magazines (defined by gun hating liberals as holding more than seven or ten bullets), than to seriously consider allowing uniformed service members to open carry or concealed carry as a means of force protection under rules and regulations promulgated by the DOD and as implemented and controlled by commanding officers.