Will I be ordered to go active if I don't ship to basic?

The singer is Chaka Khan. Shaka Zulu was of the Zulu Nation. Me thinks I see a fake profile in the Op. Could just be me.....

SSG Warren Swan - Screwed up in the head about their enlistment because they asked their buddies instead of the Recruiter. ARNG Access to the NG with the first contract........there is no DEP. They have a DEP like RSP structure but it is not the same thing.

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1LT Kevin Chapman - It's that way for all States. She or He is not part of any DEP program. DEP is only for Active Army......possibly USAR as well though I am not sure of USAR.

Roger. I thought so!

1LT Kevin Chapman - The recent difference is now they assign the recruits to a RSP unit with other recruits until they are MOS trained then they get assigned to a real NG unit. However, you are correct, first contract is the enllistment to the National Guard and they Access with the first contract if they are NG. So OP is in the National Guard right now. May not have been told that by the Recruiter but it still works that way.

National Guard accesses with the first contract so the OP is in the National Guard. National Guard does not use the DEP, it uses the RSP "Recruit Sustainment Program". OP is already in a National Guard RSP unit with a 1SG and Company Commander with other recruits waiting for ship dates. After they get trained in their MOS, the National Guardsman leaves the RSP and joins a real National Guard Unit that deploys with trained Soldiers.

Here is how it works now:
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

If he or she handles it as an adult, probably nothing will happen and it will be treated as a RSP Loss...........individual is in the NG RSP not the DEP. There is a difference in that he / she is currently assigned to a NG unit for RSP folks and has a Chain of Command. A DEP person has the local Recruiting Station that Recruited him/her as their Chain of Command.

I understand how DEP works, I was a DEP recruit for the USMC before I went into the Army.

SGT Joseph Gunderson - OK well here is how it works for the ARNG. I understand why they did is because I enlisted originally in the NG. The experience Soldiers fill your head with all sorts of horror stories about Infantry OSUT to try and scare you.......with some people it works. I can imagine it got worse with the GWOT.

https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

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NO......Your NOT in a DEP program. You really need to research what the difference is between the National Guard RSP and the Army DEP program. Here is a link for you to do what you should have done before signing a Enlistment Contract. Your a full time member of the National Guard now, you have a military obligation there is no DEP for the National Guard.......

https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

Note this sentence in particular: "ARNG Soldiers are accessed during the initial MEPS processing and are on active, paid drilling status while awaiting their IET ship date. They drill with their state’s RSP until they depart for basic combat training (BCT), and then join their actual unit of assignment when they are qualified for their military occupational specialty (MOS)." Accessed means your a National Guardsman for your state right now. I used to work for HQ USAREC (Army Recruiting Command) as a contractor a while back. The Recruiting process has changed since then.......the Accessions process has not. Your first contract is with the National Guard, your second contract is with the Regular Army for training in your MOS. For an Active Duty bound Future Soldier the First Contract is for the DEP, the second contract is for Active Duty. See the difference now? You miss SHIP DATE and it is up to the Recruiting Command in conjunction with your state NG command what to do with you. Nobody can predict what will happen there. Typically with a Regular Army DEP LOSS (person who misses ship date) they write the person off and ban them from ever enlisting again. National Guard is different as it is via both the state and Regular Army both. Someone has to pay for the training slot you burned if they do not fill it.

It is different now. New NG Recruits go into the NG RSP which is a special unit where they are really not assigned to a NG unit and where they drill with other new recruits until after they return from Basic Training. After Basic Training they are sent to a real NG unit. Reason for this change was the NG Soldiers were sometimes scaring off new recruits with their "war" stories (not always related to war) and recruiting losses were high for the NG. Other major reason why is some NG units did not prepare or lead their new recruits properly prior to shipping to basic training. So this was an attempt to reduce recruiting losses and training losses by keeping the new soldiers out of the units until they were trained in their MOS.

Here is how it works for ARNG:
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

I don't want them to say yes just to scare me into staying

Other option take a copy of your contract to a lawyer.

PVT (Join to see) - Do you really think the National Guard wants you if you don't want to be there? If they do it is a pretty messed up NG. You should tell your Recruiter that your no longer interested before you burn a training slot..........which tends to pizz people off.

I'm in a similar boat, haven't left for basic but want to cancel my contract to go active duty and am being threatened with arrest.