Posted on Feb 2, 2018
Will I be ordered to go active if I don't ship to basic?
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My dep contract says I'll be ordered to active duty if I don't show up to ship what's the chances of that? And can I be released if I only signed my first contract
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Responses: 15
1) Are you prepped and ready to show up and ship to Basic Training?
2) If you answer "yes" to #1, then why are you stressing about it?
3) Why are you asking about being released? Are you no longer wanting to be in the NG?
4) Use your real name. Seriously. I get it you're probably wanting to show tribute to the singer, but seriously you are getting into the military. Be a tad more professional. It's really hard to give guidance and mentorship to a Soldier that doesn't want to use their real name.
2) If you answer "yes" to #1, then why are you stressing about it?
3) Why are you asking about being released? Are you no longer wanting to be in the NG?
4) Use your real name. Seriously. I get it you're probably wanting to show tribute to the singer, but seriously you are getting into the military. Be a tad more professional. It's really hard to give guidance and mentorship to a Soldier that doesn't want to use their real name.
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SSG Warren Swan
The singer is Chaka Khan. Shaka Zulu was of the Zulu Nation. Me thinks I see a fake profile in the Op. Could just be me.....
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SPC Erich Guenther
SSG Warren Swan - Screwed up in the head about their enlistment because they asked their buddies instead of the Recruiter. ARNG Access to the NG with the first contract........there is no DEP. They have a DEP like RSP structure but it is not the same thing.
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From my understanding of the National Guard is you only swear in once. Here in Louisiana, whenever we swear in we’re officially apart of the Louisiana National Guard, and therefore there is no need to sign a second contract. We don’t even back to the MEPS to ship, you’re state pays for your travel to basic and AIT. As far as you feeling reluctant, I think that’s completely normal. You’re just having fear because you don’t know quite what to expect. But I’m sure you’re tougher than that. If you set a cycle now of quitting you’ll be surprised how that chain reaction will cause an unbalance in your life. Just set your mind to accomplish the goal, and finish strong.
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SPC Erich Guenther
1LT Kevin Chapman - It's that way for all States. She or He is not part of any DEP program. DEP is only for Active Army......possibly USAR as well though I am not sure of USAR.
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SPC Erich Guenther
1LT Kevin Chapman - The recent difference is now they assign the recruits to a RSP unit with other recruits until they are MOS trained then they get assigned to a real NG unit. However, you are correct, first contract is the enllistment to the National Guard and they Access with the first contract if they are NG. So OP is in the National Guard right now. May not have been told that by the Recruiter but it still works that way.
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You signed a contract, so what is the problem? Are you having second thoughts about serving? Below is the information that you need.
https://www.thebalance.com/the-delayed-enlistment-program-dep-3332701
https://www.thebalance.com/the-delayed-enlistment-program-dep-3332701

Learn About the Military's Delayed Enlistment Program
The Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP) allows you up to a year before entering military service. Find out what it is and how you can get discharged.
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SPC Erich Guenther
National Guard accesses with the first contract so the OP is in the National Guard. National Guard does not use the DEP, it uses the RSP "Recruit Sustainment Program". OP is already in a National Guard RSP unit with a 1SG and Company Commander with other recruits waiting for ship dates. After they get trained in their MOS, the National Guardsman leaves the RSP and joins a real National Guard Unit that deploys with trained Soldiers.
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SPC Erich Guenther
Here is how it works now:
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement - Information Papers - ARNG Recruit Sustainment Program
2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement
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You signed the contract. I'm not an expert on what can happen prior to going to basic training, but your recruiter is. If you really don't wish to enlist anymore, talk to your recruiter. What I would say though is that you signed a contract and you should be an adult and follow through with that obligation. It would seem to me that you could obviously use the military experience to help you develop into an adult and understand what responsibility is.
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SPC Erich Guenther
If he or she handles it as an adult, probably nothing will happen and it will be treated as a RSP Loss...........individual is in the NG RSP not the DEP. There is a difference in that he / she is currently assigned to a NG unit for RSP folks and has a Chain of Command. A DEP person has the local Recruiting Station that Recruited him/her as their Chain of Command.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I understand how DEP works, I was a DEP recruit for the USMC before I went into the Army.
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SPC Erich Guenther
SGT Joseph Gunderson - OK well here is how it works for the ARNG. I understand why they did is because I enlisted originally in the NG. The experience Soldiers fill your head with all sorts of horror stories about Infantry OSUT to try and scare you.......with some people it works. I can imagine it got worse with the GWOT.
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement - Information Papers - ARNG Recruit Sustainment Program
2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement
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I hope you find a loophole and get out of your contract. I don't want a soldier that didn't feel like he was obligated to serve. You don't value integrity or service enough to honor your commitments. I hope you value this lesson in your adulthood. But you will be ordered to active duty to show up. It is too late for that. Your ship date to basic training is your active duty date already. So if you miss that you can be charged with various articles in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. First, I could see Article 86: Absence without leave. It would cover your failure to report. Then maybe article 92: Failure to obey order or regulation. Welcome to being adult. We all make choices. You commitment to honor them is how you will be judged.
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Just the advise of probably a foolish old man,show up to ship(what ever the hell that means) believe me you won't regret it,quitting gets a lot easier after the first time.
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Sorry, but when I enlisted in 2007,the first swear in put me in. Is it that you are scared of the unknown? You need to face it head on and report! You do know OTH,General,Admin Sep or BCD look bad when trying to find work, so talk to your recruiter.
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Zero desire to help you because I think you used a fake name.
SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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Why does it matter? You signed a contract, abide by it. Why are you trying to get out of it? Serve out your contract and if you don't like it, then get out. Shaka Con? Really? Couldn't you be more original then that?
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OK, so you have sworn an oath once already. 2. You are in the Guard is you are going to drills. 3. Now, you don't want to go to training? If that's the case just what makes you think the NG still wants you??, I guarantee the Army doesn't want you. I can foresee an Other Than Honorable Discharge in the works, probably for being Absent With Out Leave State recouping any bonuses, etc via garnishment of wages and a hassle trying to get any form of government employment. Have a nice life.
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