Posted on Apr 12, 2018
With news of Ryan leaving congress this year, what will be the "new" vison, leader, and agenda of the Republican Party going forward?
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Your question deals specifically with the GOP, so I will address that, even though I think the Democrats have a similar issue on the other end of the spectrum. The GOP continues to be locked in a war within itself, with "traditional" republicans pulling in one direction and "Trumpsters" (many formerly known as "Tea Party Republicans") pulling in the other direction. The traditionals are trying to pull back toward the center, while the Trumpsters are pulling toward the fringe. For as long as Trump remains in the White House, his followers will prevail. Many of the traditional types are bailing out, or will be voted out. This is a sad state of affairs, since most of the country, IMHO, would rather be near the center.....either slightly left, or slightly right. We won't be seeing that for quite some time.
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SSgt Gary Andrews
For sure.....I mentioned that the Dems have a similar problem on the other end of the political spectrum. If you aren't close enough to the fringe, you don't make it past the primary.
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SSG Warren Swan
The Dems defiantly are following suit with the mainstream HRC's, the Bernie group, and the Warren "far left" group. I wonder sometimes if the Bernie and Warren groups are only different in name not ideology. In the end, it's still the same two in charge (Pelosi and Schumer) both of which should cede the reins to someone younger, but won't.
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That's a helluva good question. You'd think that Republicans or their leadership could best answer it, but I wouldn't bet on that. For as much as I don't like the ideology of the Left and their shills in the Democratic Party, they at least have a direction. Nancy Pelosi, whom I thoroughly despise, at least demonstrated a remarkable ability to manage her minions (much like herding cats). Since the election of President Trump, the GOP has been acting like someone tossed a grenade into their midst in the Congressional cloakroom, and they are scattering, leaderless, and rudderless. In all fairness, We the People have given them little opportunity to govern, which may explain their lack of ability. The bottom line is that it will remain a helluva good question and we must wait to see the outcome. Anyone who thinks they can supply an answer has an over abundance of hubris.
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SSG Warren Swan
An opinion question then; if you were in congress and in a leadership position of strong influence, what would be your five to ten year plan for the party, would you stick to traditional Republican ideals, Reaganism, make the party more moderate, or accept a far right ideology? In your party, would MAGA and Trumpism be made more of a reality, or would you drop everything and retool looking at the long run? What would you think is the way forward outside of what is already seen or done?
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CPT Jack Durish
SSG Warren Swan - Far Right? What is that? Traditional Republican values? What are those? MAGA and Trumpism? No idea of what any other means. Leadership. That I understand. Pick a direction and move. Lead. Right now, all I see is Democrats fighting President Trump and Republicans fighting themselves. The only ones I seeing ready to lead are the Democrats and I don't want any parts of their destination. MAGA? Only We the People can do that and we can't do that while Washington is sucking the life out of us. The Democrats lifted the bureaucrats to power and now not even they can rein them in. Bureaucrats are governing by administrative regulations that they "legislate" and administer, and if there are any disputes, they adjudicate. In other words, they no hold all three branches of government - legistation, executive, and judicial - and they're not about to give them up without a fight.
Five Year Plan? How about a 5-minute drill: Congress start making laws that are sufficiently explicit and bureaucrats administer them as written. Close all administrative courts. Close redundant and unconstitutional agencies and bureaus. That would be a helluva good start...
Five Year Plan? How about a 5-minute drill: Congress start making laws that are sufficiently explicit and bureaucrats administer them as written. Close all administrative courts. Close redundant and unconstitutional agencies and bureaus. That would be a helluva good start...
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SSG Warren Swan
CPT Jack Durish - I see what you mean, but when the candidate calls themselves a certain way or promotes a certain "Stance", it is what it is. Leadership is fundamental, but is not common. We have a lot of common folk in uncommon positions, who think they're the next "uncommon" leader while doing the same common and ignorant job as their predecessors.
I asked five year plan being nothing in congress moves at any kind of speed. So factor in elections, tastes of the populace at the time, or even forecast it, you could build a model based off metrics and see what the next "big thing" will be. Closing up what you said would be a drop in the bucket to fix problems, but at what cost? You save a dollar from one, you spend five in another. This is congress.
If you were able to actually do your second to last sentence, I'd move to CA and vote for you, and that's not even a joke. It's a hard choice politicians will always talk about, and every one will run from when it's showtime.
I asked five year plan being nothing in congress moves at any kind of speed. So factor in elections, tastes of the populace at the time, or even forecast it, you could build a model based off metrics and see what the next "big thing" will be. Closing up what you said would be a drop in the bucket to fix problems, but at what cost? You save a dollar from one, you spend five in another. This is congress.
If you were able to actually do your second to last sentence, I'd move to CA and vote for you, and that's not even a joke. It's a hard choice politicians will always talk about, and every one will run from when it's showtime.
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SPC David Willis
MCPO Roger Collins He has flirted with it and the republican establishment loves him. I think he's leaving now so that he's not involved in any massive controversies that may arise (politically not personally) in the final two years of trumps first term. He'll have enough distance and plausible deniability to appeal to moderates and I think a large number of Republican voters who didn't cast a vote for Trump, but rather a vote against Hillary would prefer to see him in office.
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SPC David Willis
SSG Warren Swan I think the recent choices for president (Trump and hillary) have woken many people up to what happens when voters fall asleep at the wheel. I'm almost 100% positive moderates would appreciate Ryan more than Trump if for no other reason than normalcy. Hardline republicans are going to be the deciding factor IMO.
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SSG Warren Swan
SPC David Willis - Ryan would be more appealing, but you're ineffective as a Speaker when the party turns on you. Boehner found that out the hard way. Both parties are cutthroat asses, but it seems once you make it to the top, everybody is suddenly better than you and more capable. McCarthy and Saliece (sp) are your leading candidates to take over, and correct me if I'm wrong, both are hardline republicans. Not much room for moderates in there. I'd wager McConnell will also fall, but who would take his place?
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SSG Warren Swan
SFC Sczymanski James L. - IMO if Trump is ousted early, it'll be by his own doing more than the Dems taking over. Every administration has it's issues, but it seems this one goes above and beyond the call to make it as painful as possible. Pruitt is proof of this. Kelly is the lone adult in there, and even he can't get things to move in an orderly manner. With Mueller here, the dems possibly taking the House (possibly the Senate), impeachment becomes something more than watercooler talk. Trump has no success when it comes to backing candidates. If the establishment candidates are "bad" then from the track record of the "outsiders", we should ask for more Flakes, McCains, Ryans, and all those that are publicly despised due to their sitting in a chair doing nothing rather than the Moores who keep popping up. Reid retired years ago for office, and that man is STILL getting folks to kiss the ring to get votes in NV. This whole "outsider" moniker is going to be a nifty idea that will see itself go away much like the power the Tea Party lost with Pailin. You don't even see Cruz touting it anymore like he used to. This photo tells a lot about what's going on without words there. It'd be different if it was an isolated incident with Kelly, but there are too many of these floating around. Ego and power is something else. Some can handle it and make it work (rare), but most cannot (normal folks). Draining the swamp could be starting with 1600 Penn Ave.
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