Posted on Dec 9, 2020
Would you obey an illegal or unconstitutional order?
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What are your professional and personal views on the right and the duty of active and retired military to disobey illegal or unconstitutional orders? (Ref. UCMJ, Articles 90, 91, 92; and the Fourth Geneva Convention.)
For instance, in the event a sitting U.S. President loses an election in the electoral college, and as a means to stay in office declares martial law or invokes the 1807 Insurrection Act, should you obey such an order? Would you individually be willing to comply?
Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic....
e.g., https://www.witf.org/2020/06/02/president-trump-says-hell-deploy-military-to-states-if-they-dont-stop-violent-protests/
For instance, in the event a sitting U.S. President loses an election in the electoral college, and as a means to stay in office declares martial law or invokes the 1807 Insurrection Act, should you obey such an order? Would you individually be willing to comply?
Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic....
e.g., https://www.witf.org/2020/06/02/president-trump-says-hell-deploy-military-to-states-if-they-dont-stop-violent-protests/
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Hell no, this order is truly illegal, if you obey it's straight to the Hauge, for a date with your own personal war crimes trail...
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SSG Edward Tilton
What has he got to do with it. I should wait while you decide if President Trump will approve your decision. Glad you aren’t in charge
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LCpl Glenn Kellar
Yeah, my skipper got frozen for protecting us and himself to the battalion C.O. In Skipper's defense, in retrospect, he was massively messed up with PTS. I don't think the LTC ever heard an angry shot
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The primary thing that holds us together as a nation and a people is our Consitution and our Bill of Rights. The downside to that is from almost day one of it being ratified, our assorted politicians have been trying to find ways around our Consitution, even though they swore an oath to uphold and defend it.
I believe active duty personnel should think real hard before they disobey an order from a superior officer, no matter what reason they might have. The Constitution will not protect them should they disobey an order, at least not before damage has been done to their career. Upper flag ranks have a little more leeway. We are a nation of law, millions of laws. How can any military personnel be aware of the thousands of laws that might negate whatever reason they might have for disobeying a direct order?
I believe active duty personnel should think real hard before they disobey an order from a superior officer, no matter what reason they might have. The Constitution will not protect them should they disobey an order, at least not before damage has been done to their career. Upper flag ranks have a little more leeway. We are a nation of law, millions of laws. How can any military personnel be aware of the thousands of laws that might negate whatever reason they might have for disobeying a direct order?
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Capt Edward Egan
Politicians and senior officers also took the oath to support and defend the Constitution. When they violate that oath we should make them pay.
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"Civilian supporter"... what are you doing here? Take your sh1t back to some little kiddy hippie site you usually play on.
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As a retiree. Had that occurred during my active service I would have relied on the direction of my superiors. If I found their actions also outside the realm of constitutional authority, I would put my objection in writing up the chain of command. Hopefully our system of checks and will protect us. Our democracy is fragile and we as soldiers must never take side. We have an oath that guides us. We don’t need sea lawyers telling us what we should do or think.
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No more than if the President. Told you to violate the Constitution, say the 2nd Amendment. That the answer you were looking for?
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Judah Freed you must be part of the woke, cancel up yours culture trying to divide this nation.
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