Posted on Sep 13, 2014
CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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Would you mind elaborating on your reason for choosing one service over the other? Thanks for your collaboration.
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I would prefer to write it myself with aid from an advisor. I would also ask him questions about the format and what employees are looking for. I learned a while back you should never use the same resume twice. It should cater to the position you are applying for.

On a side note. I see you work for shell. Where does shell seek to place military personal, occupation wise? My father works in the Gulf as a Maritime Engineer down there. I know a little about it.
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MSG Sommer Brown
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I prefer to write it and be coached on improvements, how else are we to learn and grow as individuals. The conversation had, reveals more information and teaches someone more than to pay someone who doesn't know you to make you sound great and wonderful. If you can't take the time to sit down and put together your own resume and seek help from a coach or adviser and discuss areas of improvement, then that in and of its self says something about that person or does to me. Again, everyone has an opinion and that is mine. I do find it hard to do my own resume, simply because I underplay my "skills" and "experiences", I tend to look at everything as being part of my job and not a big deal; this is where a coach or adviser helps to point out, that what I see as small is not necessarily looked at as being small to others.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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Sommer,

The best way is to get the product together and let someone tweek or coach you through making it better. You noticed I said better not perfection. I always tell people get me in 1k grid and we can go from 4 digit....to 6 digit to an 8 digit grid
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I have found after interviewing many hundreds of people for many dozens of jobs, that it is very easy to know who has written their resume and who has had their resume written for them.

If you write your resume, generally you will speak like you write. You will use the same style and words. You will know what your resume states. You will know your skill list and your record of employment.

When a professional writes a resume, it is was generally, glaringly obvious the applicant had not written what was being presented. The mannerisms were not in synced. This would automatically place the applicant in a lower standard than if they had written their own. I would typically deep-dive into the resume to find out what was truth and what was spin/fabrication.

In my time hiring over 20 years or so, I can remember hiring exactly one candidate who used a professional service. This was a for an entry level position and the applicant suited the position and just did not know how to write a resume with almost no content.

By-in-large I found that applicants who wrote their own resumes to be better interviews with the applicant more confident in the content as well as their ability.

Too often resume services over state capabilities and responsibilities to get the applicant noticed, and the applicant would not stand up to scrutiny regarding the fabricated material.

In summary, in my opinion, the applicant appears more professional and more trustworthy when they write their own.
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MSgt Scott Gaston
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Very interesting...Never even thought about that!
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PO1 Larry Castle I would rather see a rougher, accurate resume than a polished fabricated one...
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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Ivan I agree with you and typically when you bring someone in for the interview you have already read their resume usually one of my first question is so tell me a little bit about your role in position "X"......I literally asked someone this question and his response was its on the resume. I know what is on your resume I am trying to find out if there is a good fit. So if you get someone to write your story know what they are writing about you because a skilled hiring manager, recruiter will sniff it out
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Absolutely!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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I'd like to write my own and be coached. I've been doing a lot of resume writing lately and it is not a one resume fits all even for the same position. I did have some services take a look at mine some years back and it was both funny and pathetic to see how each contradicted each other in resume philosophy. It left me very confused so I never tried it again.
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PO1 Andrew White
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I always recommend (particularly to guys on their way out of the Service) to write it themselves...but definitely have someone else look at it. The "Family Service Centers" have plenty of resources available for writing a strong resume. Above all, "demilitarize" it as much as possible using civilian translations for jobs and positions held.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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The biggest take away is that you want to minimize the amount of eyes on it because honestly you will get different perspectives. The resume is a working document. It should be written for the employer it is your story to depict the roles you were in the key is that you include metrics. When you joined the organization how was it, when you touched it what were the improvements money save, processes improved, and the list can go on......but you are telling your story.
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Would you prefer your resume written by a professional writing service or for you to write it and be coached on improvements?
MSG Wade Huffman
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I would definitely prefer to write my resume myself and then be coached by a professional, and there are several reasons why. Just off the top of my head:
1. I know better than anyone else what I have accomplished.
2. I know that I am NOT an expert in resume writing.
3. I DO want to continue to learn from those who ARE experts in their fields (such as resume writing).
It just seems to me that by starting on your own, and then receiving professional assistance, one would have a better opportunity to learn the whats, hows, and more importantly, the whys.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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The old adage if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day if you teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime
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MSG Wade Huffman
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR , I always believed if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day! But I digress.... :)
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SSG Carol Keeler
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When I was going to school for my MBA I took advantage of the Career Management Division and used their services to tweak my resume. I wrote it myself they just took what I wrote and reformatted it and gave me pointers on what to do and how to do it. I believe that if someone does it for you, you will never learn how to do it yourself and you never know when your in that position to be the hiring official. I have learned a lot of valuable information from agencies that specialize in resume writing that is invaluable.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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Carol that is exactly right tweak it.....I will use Basic Rifle Markmanship as an example if you are on the range and trying to zero the weapon your coach is making slight adjustments on your sight so you can achieve the standard for zeroing. You are not using Kentucky windage......you are applying the 4-fundamentals of Basic rifle marksmanship and sight adjustment by your coach to zero.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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CW2 Raymond,

I utilized the VA for Vets service to assist with enhancing my resume and then used the base which was developed to build a bigger and better product. I prefer to have someone coach me to improvement so I am able to take this knowledge with me.

To use the age old adage, "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats forever."

Joseph M. Finck
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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You could not say that any better. I would say upfront there is no such thing as a perfect resume. it is a working document that you have to be careful getting to many opinions becasue you will chase perfection. Just the sucess of your resume by how many call backe you are getting
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SPC David Shaffer
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I would write it myself and get help/feedback on it. It's always good to hire a professional but wouldn't you rather increase your own personal know how so you don't have to depend on others services? I would rather do it myself for sure but that is me personally.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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That is a good point David and I think it is really what is best for the individual. When I first came back from Iraq and released from active duty I had a resume service that wrote my resume basically taking all of my information plugging it into and program and out came a 4 page resume which netted me zero responses or inquiries.

I continued to worked on approving the document until I started receiving call backs and ultimately landing a job. But it took me going down the route of letting someone else do my resume to taking ownership of the document
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SGT Richard H.
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I've always felt that the latter is more effective, even if the "coach" means a professional service. Mainly I say this because the person will understand their experience better than anyone else, which *should* provide more detail.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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I agree Richard ultimately it is the decision of the candidate. Sometime we think of the work smarter not harder approach in this case having someone write it for you maybe smarter to start off and become harder as you get into the employment search process. Thanks for contributing to this blog. Hopefully these are good questions where others can share but most important there are lessons learned and best practices options available.
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Capt Chris McVeigh
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I would 100% prefer to write it myself with advice from an experienced individual than to have someone else write it. I learn absolutely nothing from having someone do it for me and it is a skill that would be useful for the future.

I would also feel very weird submitting a resume I did not write. "Please hire me, here is a document someone else wrote about things I told them I did." Somehow that just makes me feel stupid.

Also, as other people have pointed out, sometimes you need to adjust your resume for several different jobs. Do I pay someone to write me a resume for every single one? Or do I learn and gain the ability to alter my initial resume as needed.
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MSgt Donald Toro
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I wouldn't pay anyone to write my resume. Most bases have people at the family readiness center that will help you get your resume up to par for free. I applied to 30 jobs over a three months period before I was hired. I wrote one master resume that listed my skills and accomplishments. Then I wrote targeted resumes to each opening I applied for. So it doesn't make sense to pay someone to write a resume when you will have to revise it for each job applied for. The best person to write about you is you. Once you learn how to do it, then you have a skill you can use the rest of your professional career. I had people help me out and proof read my resume and it worked out. If anyone here wants help writing their resume, I would be happy to share what I learned.
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CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
CW3 Dylan E. Raymond, PHR
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Donald so the question for you in order to know how successful the resume was how many of the 30 jobs you applied for you received call-backs for the next step in the process. You need not share it here if you dont want but your example is a good way to measure the success of the resume.
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MSgt Donald Toro
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I got called and was hired so I would consider it a success.
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