Posted on Dec 17, 2014
Would you support a standard uniform for all branches of service? Why or Why not?
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Never! I refuse to have Marines wearing the same uniforms as the Army! I jest
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
Some "marine" means water. I figured we'd the marines in coast guard uniforms ... just kidding
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In the mid to late 1990s every military service wore the BDUs although the color of name tapes and service tapes varied SFC Michael Jackson, MBA.
Since DLA executed the contracts for fatigue uniforms it makes great sense to leverage the quantity of all service uniforms to reduce the price per issue, simplify the orders for these gross size uniforms, and make it more difficult for our potential enemies to determine who they are facing in battle, recon, etc.
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Since DLA executed the contracts for fatigue uniforms it makes great sense to leverage the quantity of all service uniforms to reduce the price per issue, simplify the orders for these gross size uniforms, and make it more difficult for our potential enemies to determine who they are facing in battle, recon, etc.
This question was posed before I joined RallyPoint
FYI COL Mikel J. Burroughs COL Charles Williams LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Wayne Brandon LTC Bill Koski LTC Ivan Raiklin, Esq. LTC (Join to see) SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" CW5 (Join to see) CW5 Jack Cardwell SP5 Robert Ruck SGT Charles H. Hawes SGT John " Mac " McConnell
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LTC (Join to see)
The Canadians do it this way. The Army and the Air Force wear the same uniform. Just their Berets are different color. I'm not sure about the Air Force.
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My Solution:
Marine (MARPAT) Patrol Cap
Army Scorpion Multicam Jacket
AF ABU Trousers
Navy Flip Flops
In all seriousness, let the service branches maintain their own dress uniforms. This allows for service pride and the continuity of historical traditions. Combat (field) uniforms should be designed for the field of battle to where they are deployed regardless of branch. Special purpose uniforms i.e. aviators, submariners, sailors (At Sea) etc. should maintain the design as prescribed by their service branch.
Marine (MARPAT) Patrol Cap
Army Scorpion Multicam Jacket
AF ABU Trousers
Navy Flip Flops
In all seriousness, let the service branches maintain their own dress uniforms. This allows for service pride and the continuity of historical traditions. Combat (field) uniforms should be designed for the field of battle to where they are deployed regardless of branch. Special purpose uniforms i.e. aviators, submariners, sailors (At Sea) etc. should maintain the design as prescribed by their service branch.
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Sgt Dan Catlin
Other than calling a cover a cap, that actually makes sense, as long as you don't "cap" the uniform off with a bunch of velcro and unnecessary pockets.
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Yes, amidst budget cuts it is smarter for our services to be like they were 15 years ago when we all were wearing BDUs is we were wearing camouflage. I know we all may have called it something different, but they were the same things.
Keep the dress uniforms different and tied to service history, but lets all work together in the sense that the Goldwater-Nichols Act wanted us to and come to an agreement on a uniform.
Though with all the money spent on new uniforms it will never come to fruition.
Keep the dress uniforms different and tied to service history, but lets all work together in the sense that the Goldwater-Nichols Act wanted us to and come to an agreement on a uniform.
Though with all the money spent on new uniforms it will never come to fruition.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
we could save money. I'd ordered materials in bulk and have the utility uniforms mass produced in prison systems. low cost labor, low material costs. Back when actually starched our BDU, the best laundry place in the Fort Knox area was the prison laundry. Oh Course, it is also the cheapest.
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LTC (Join to see)
Agreed all around. The best place at most locations was the prison laundry facility.
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Oh, yeah. I do miss that 'squared away' look and feel of a pressed set of BDU's and spit-shined boots.
But I agree that there should be one uniform, with branch specific rank and insignia. Keep the dress uniforms the way they are, but unify the battle uni's. It worked just fine with the BDU's, and it can work now.
But I agree that there should be one uniform, with branch specific rank and insignia. Keep the dress uniforms the way they are, but unify the battle uni's. It worked just fine with the BDU's, and it can work now.
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I support this 1000% for a standard duty uniform. No more 50 shades of multi-cam. 1 garrison/battle/utility/duty uniform for all, the same way it used to be with BDUs. No more copyrighting camouflage patterns for a specific branch. Keep all the dress uniforms and PT gear service specific, but give everyone one uniform for the fight. One exception is that the Navy gets a pass with wearing camouflage on the ship for obvious reasons. But if you are on land, we should all be wearing the same camouflage pattern in my opinion.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
CPT (Join to see) Not that it has happened since WWII, but in the event of a sinking, even the Navy should wear camouflage. Blue just stands out in any environment, except of course the ocean. Should a sailor go overboard, that would be the time you would not want to blend in.
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hi i think we should have stayed with the all green uniforms we had back in the 70's, off all the uniforms i wore they were the best.
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I think the forces distinction is what i appreciate about uniforms. I just wish the Army chooses a uniform, where we dont have to replace it after 4 washes. I like darker uniforms and they need to bring back leather boots and kiwi..
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This is an outstanding idea for tactical uniforms only. Keep the Services Dress Uniforms as they are to allow them to retain their identity and traditions.
Logistically, it is cheaper for the taxpayers to support a single tactical uniform rather then several different types, it makes stocking replacement items much easier, it simplifies the problem of what 'right' looks like, even though each service will have certain differences such as unit patches and what jewelry can be worn with the uniform. Buying a common uniform will also ensure a better quality and price control for DLA
Tactically, it makes every bit of sense that if everyone looks the same then personnel from different services, i.e. USAF JTACS don't stand out under observation, because of a different camouflage pattern. I've noticed that our Allies here at Kandahar wear the OCP Multi-cam camouflage pattern with their own countries' 'style' of Battle Dress- pocket locations, sleeve pockets, etc... they even wear their rank centered in the chest like we do- although I personally think rank should be worn above the right pocket.
Logistically, it is cheaper for the taxpayers to support a single tactical uniform rather then several different types, it makes stocking replacement items much easier, it simplifies the problem of what 'right' looks like, even though each service will have certain differences such as unit patches and what jewelry can be worn with the uniform. Buying a common uniform will also ensure a better quality and price control for DLA
Tactically, it makes every bit of sense that if everyone looks the same then personnel from different services, i.e. USAF JTACS don't stand out under observation, because of a different camouflage pattern. I've noticed that our Allies here at Kandahar wear the OCP Multi-cam camouflage pattern with their own countries' 'style' of Battle Dress- pocket locations, sleeve pockets, etc... they even wear their rank centered in the chest like we do- although I personally think rank should be worn above the right pocket.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Used to be the USAF folks working with the Army wore same uniform as Army except for a USAF tape over left pocket and Army unit patch on left shoulder. At least thru chocolate chips times. That way they did not stand out as a FAC or other high value target.
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CSM Richard Montcalm
Maj Ronnie Reams, you are correct however, a single uniform across the services wouls preclude the need for 2 sets of issue instead of one. I would go a step further and reduce the clothing allowance for all service members to reflect the Multi- cam being issued and replaced free of charge to the service member, instead having the uniform replaced through supply when it is worn out IAW Fair Wear and Tear standards.
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I think all the armed forces branches should have their own variations of the camo- type uniforms. Adds to the distinction of each branch.
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