Posted on Mar 27, 2022
Should an Officer who was non-selected for promotion, and discharged at 16 years of service, reenlist to finish their 20?
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Absolutely, 4 years is nothing compaired to the 16 you've already served. Why would you give up a retirement check? (Reserve retirement may not pay the bills under the old system, but it is time served and money earned.)
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
Sgt Bob Corridan - ./...
As BILL GATES Is Credited To Have Said:
"Life Isn't Fair... Get Use To It"
But, Even Yet Today,To Get What You Want;
Sometimes Ya Just Gots Ta Do A Little Azz Kissin' Along The Way,
As BILL GATES Is Credited To Have Said:
"Life Isn't Fair... Get Use To It"
But, Even Yet Today,To Get What You Want;
Sometimes Ya Just Gots Ta Do A Little Azz Kissin' Along The Way,
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CW3 Richard Doty
Bethany, exactly what I came here to say. That assumes of course that the opportunity is there, but even if a Captain had to reenlist as a SGT, SSG would happen shortly and they would retire as a Captain (unless that has changed). As I recall, under the old system for officers, Regular Army officers had four shots at promotion (two AUS and two RA). I suspect that went away under DOPMA. (As an aside, I was an RA W3, but I had two dates of rank, one AUS and one RA. Shades of the old Army.)
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The short answer would be yes. But what are your current circumstances? Are you disabled, reenlistment code, age etc. If you are receiving a VA disability and was accepted by a branch for reenlistment you would have to suspend your disability payments or your military pay, you cannot receive both. Are you thinking Active or Guard/Reserve, officer or enlisted? Way to many variables to give you a straight answer. My suggestion if you’re serious about pursuing this are contacting a recruiter and seeing what options you may have. Good luck!
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CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold
This was 2011, I'm currently 100% disabled P&T plus Unemployable. Yes, 2011 was my last time on Active Duty within the Army Reserve. File disability and went to work for the BOP and an Information Receptionist and later Veterans Affairs Medical Center. I truly thought about it unfortunately, health took a dive. I just wanted to know everyone thoughts on the subject and hopefully help sone else who's going through. Thanks for the insights I will passed it on to anyone who was None Selected for Promotion with 15 years or more.
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Sgt Robert Burlison
See if you can find an honest online job. I have in mind something but as yet do not know how many employees I will need.
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TSgt James Sutton
I agree look for work online, lot of companies after Covid changes in employment now hire a lot of at home employees. Overseas there are several who want english speaking contractors but the pay is horrible, if you can speak/read/write any other languages will help a lot with the online job search.
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Probably the least painful path is to sneak into the Reserves, and get your remaining good years of service and apply for a Reservist Retirement based on your accumulated points. I presume your 16 years are fully active so that's going to be 5840 points right there. Then......... you'd need 4 more good reserve years, and at minimum need 50 points each year, 15 of which are automatic, and 48 for attending monthly drill then at minimum 14 points for annual training. 77 being the "minimum" without missing anything (I've never had less than 90ish) So at a minimum you'll retire with 6040 points.
The 20 year CPT pay is $7543. 20 years will get one 50% of that base pay (the old retirement plan) which is based on 7300 points. So a reserve pension would be prorated, and in your worst case (50 points the remining 4 years) is [6040/7300] * 0.5 * 7543 = $3120 a month.
Do I have this correct folks?
Not completing out the remainder 4 years is at a minimum loss of $3120 a month for the rest of his life?
The 20 year CPT pay is $7543. 20 years will get one 50% of that base pay (the old retirement plan) which is based on 7300 points. So a reserve pension would be prorated, and in your worst case (50 points the remining 4 years) is [6040/7300] * 0.5 * 7543 = $3120 a month.
Do I have this correct folks?
Not completing out the remainder 4 years is at a minimum loss of $3120 a month for the rest of his life?
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CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold
I wish I could with 18.6 years plus working towards Chaplaincy for the last 3 to 4 years. Unfortunately, HRC reverse their approval due to my Twice Non-selected for promotion to Captain back in 1995. I hold 2 Masters prior to HRC render their decision to reverse course with my career. With no chance to continue military service towards retirement as far as I know plus worsening physical conditions at a VA Disability rating of 40%. I decided to move on. Wished I had the mentorship available than. I had 18.6 Good years.
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Sgt Bob Corridan
Wow...at the 50% level that isn't a whole hulluva lot for someone who, at times, has placed his/her backside in harms way...the clowns in congress who put his backside in harms way get 90% of the last 3 years of service if they have been in for 25 years so a legislature who gets elected to office at 30, retires at 55 "for life" at a level of 90% of his last 3 years of office.....assume the per anum is $130000 on the low end, that is $117000 or $9750 per month with lifetime medical...and then he or she can go work for one of the many firms seeking favor with congress as a lobbyist and get SSA benefits and these are the same people that are telling the next generation that their 100% benefit amount will be kicked out to age 70 up from 67 up from 65....AND if a person is in the private sector, unlike the public sector, you cannot opt out of SSA...people always argue that you get more out of SSA than you put in and that is nothing short of BS...the 7.5% matching put in by your employer is your money so your 7.5% and the employer's 7.5% is a total of 15% that you could put into a mutual fund at a nominal ROI of 6% compounded and be a millionaire by age of 60 starting at age 22. If everyone opted out of SSA and got all their money back and invested conservatively the SSA would roll over like a dead whale.
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MSG Moises Maldonado
CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold - No wonder.. in your statement should've been "THEN" rather than "than" HRC crashed it..!
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Short answer: yes. As I understand your profile, you are a Captain in the Reserve. If the question is not hypothetical, but is personal, you've been twice non-selected to major. Your profile shows you were previously an E-6. If you choose to enlist to complete your 20 good years, then you will probably come back in as an E-6.
My experience with officers going to enlisted to complete 20 is limited. I worked with a captain pilot who was twice passed over, but was allowed to remain on active duty as an O3 to 20 years because the Air Force was short on pilots. See if your MOS is critical. I also was a Scout Leader with an Air Force SSgt (E5) who had been a Captain. He sued the Air Force, the officers who wrote and endorsed his last few OERs before his promotion board. He won! He went to work one morning as a SSgt and came home that afternoon as a major. This is rare. I don't recall the exact grounds for his suit. It was not because he was discriminated against as a member of a protected class. It had something to do with supervision and geographical separation from his rater. There was an operations clerk at an Air Base where I worked who was a Master Sergeant, but wore Command Pilot wings. I asked about him and was told by my boss he had been a major who was twice passed over for lieutenant colonel. He chose to finish out his 20 as an enlister person then decided to stay even longer.
I think it's worth it financially. You'll probably retire as a Captain with 20 years of service. Good retirement pay. You'll be eligible for TRICARE till you're 65, then TRICARE for Life. Your retired ID card will get you installation access and use of AAFES, Commissary, Pharmacy, etc. It's well worth it.
My experience with officers going to enlisted to complete 20 is limited. I worked with a captain pilot who was twice passed over, but was allowed to remain on active duty as an O3 to 20 years because the Air Force was short on pilots. See if your MOS is critical. I also was a Scout Leader with an Air Force SSgt (E5) who had been a Captain. He sued the Air Force, the officers who wrote and endorsed his last few OERs before his promotion board. He won! He went to work one morning as a SSgt and came home that afternoon as a major. This is rare. I don't recall the exact grounds for his suit. It was not because he was discriminated against as a member of a protected class. It had something to do with supervision and geographical separation from his rater. There was an operations clerk at an Air Base where I worked who was a Master Sergeant, but wore Command Pilot wings. I asked about him and was told by my boss he had been a major who was twice passed over for lieutenant colonel. He chose to finish out his 20 as an enlister person then decided to stay even longer.
I think it's worth it financially. You'll probably retire as a Captain with 20 years of service. Good retirement pay. You'll be eligible for TRICARE till you're 65, then TRICARE for Life. Your retired ID card will get you installation access and use of AAFES, Commissary, Pharmacy, etc. It's well worth it.
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I knew of a major passed over at 16 years during a major RIF. He chose to enlist as an NCO and served to 30 years. His commander called him a disgrace to the officer corps for doing so.
He also joined his State Reserve where his family had friends and in State government. This was back when they still had both Regular and Reserve officer promotion opportunities. So on all his available weekends and on leave he served with his State Guard and was promoted to Brigadier.
So on his last day of active duty service he pinned on his star and paid his former commander a visit. He had one terrified full colonel terrified up against a wall. It was beautiful.
He also joined his State Reserve where his family had friends and in State government. This was back when they still had both Regular and Reserve officer promotion opportunities. So on all his available weekends and on leave he served with his State Guard and was promoted to Brigadier.
So on his last day of active duty service he pinned on his star and paid his former commander a visit. He had one terrified full colonel terrified up against a wall. It was beautiful.
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I had a friend who was twice passed over for Major. He resigned his commission, put his stripes back on as an E-5, got promoted, reached 20 and retired as a Captain.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Those I had served with or knew of that were passed over though a retirement they still retired in the highest grade held which it appears was the usual practice. One Air Force Major that i knew returned to the enlisted ranks as a TSgt, (E6) although did end up being promoted to MSgt, (E7)
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Absolutely! Your retirement pay would be at the highest rank you held, so what's four more years? I served with several people in the Reserves who were officers on active duty and got passed over, so they enlisted to finish out their time.
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I was nonselected for Captain with 13 years. After 911, I enlisted in the Air Force served 3 years and transfer back into the Army to prepare for Chaplain. Was promoted to E6 and three months Direct Commission to Army Chaplain Captain 3 months later Disability Land. Prove you can continue serving your country to retirement regardless of the rank. Just keep your head up.
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CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold
1SG (Anonymous) - I have DD214 from the Army Reserve and a NGB22 when I left the Air Guard.
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if allowed to do so, Absolutely .
Four Years will go with a Blink of a eye, it is nothing, by doing so, he and his family will receive a check of at least 50% of his highest 3 years, every month for the rest of his life. it like hitting the lottery and receiving X Number of dollars at the 1st of each month for the rest of his life.
people by lottery tickets for this and throw thousands of dollars away for a chance like this, funny all they had to do is stand up and protect and serve this great nation for 20 plus years :)
Four Years will go with a Blink of a eye, it is nothing, by doing so, he and his family will receive a check of at least 50% of his highest 3 years, every month for the rest of his life. it like hitting the lottery and receiving X Number of dollars at the 1st of each month for the rest of his life.
people by lottery tickets for this and throw thousands of dollars away for a chance like this, funny all they had to do is stand up and protect and serve this great nation for 20 plus years :)
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I did it. I had 17 good years and was in reserver status. It took a while. I enlisted as e-6. There was some sort of GO sign off needed for E7. After 6years I was able to re-commission and got back my captain. I got promoted to MAJ and ran out of time to make LTC. I Ended up with 32 good years. I don't recommend it for career path but I managed it.
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