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Posted on Feb 16, 2016
SSG Lon Watson
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SPC John Tacetta
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Either I forgot to hit the respond button (unlikely) or my post was deleted as I was probably too "harsh" in my criticism and you couldn't "hack" it. Puzzling, given your presentation. Anyway, you are out of line. The Marines are first and foremost naval infantry and their basic training is structured along those lines. Army basic training is meant to establish a minimum physical fitness and discipline in the ranks as well as to familiarize all troops with basic rifle skills.

My basic training was straight out of "Apocalypse Now" and my AIT was diametrically different. Not that it was any less demanding, but it was certainly more supportive. Having experienced the 2 philosophies, I'll opt for training over indoctrination any day.
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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I didn’t delete it. In fact this is the first time I’ve seen it. And before you tell someone they can’t hack it you better know them first bitch
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SPC John Tacetta
SPC John Tacetta
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SSG Lon Watson - As per the new Army policy I accept your card and offer my apology. My language was clearly too harsh for your epidermis. Better stay away from the Marines, though. Follow me, I'm the infantry!
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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Actually it looks like you’re an unemployed specialist that couldn’t hack it in the army for very long. I did 21 years 5 1/2 of that was Fort Bragg my epidermis has been through stuff you wouldn’t believe. Have an airborne day
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SPC John Tacetta
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SSG Lon Watson - One and done, my friend, that's me: loud and proud. Although you might not guess it today, I was always in the first order of battle and got to the point where I maxed out my PT score and ran 6 minute miles back to back, regularly. Pinning on a set of wings does not make you infantry, the blue cord does that and I've met plenty of clerks with wings. With 6 months in the field every year on top of guard duties, Air Assault wings on my chest and an Airborne tab on my shoulder I can't imagine you ever endured much more than I or my brothers did, NEST or not. I never saw "The Elephant", but training accidents and terrorist attacks across Europe during my time certainly took their toll. I loved the esprit de corps, but not the pay; I did my bid, figured I could do better and got out. It worked for me.

I tip my hat towards you and your 21 year commitment. Lord knows, the service needs that kind of dedication and I salute your service.

Your attack on my service, rank and employment status are apparently made without any knowledge of me or my circumstances and diminish your argument. I encourage you to look over my profile and "Google" me and learn a little bit more of me if you're so inclined. I'm always ready to stand a fellow veteran a drink so look me up any time you're passing through Long Island, NY and we can relive those days in the sun for a brief time.

I still disagree with your premise, though.
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SSgt Fixed Wing Aircraft Power Plants Mechanic, F-402
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Another difference I have noticed between the Army and Marine Corps is the issuance of "badges". It kind of reminds me of being int he Boy Scouts (yes, I know the BSA were modeled after an Army-like structure). It strikes me as odd probably because it is different to me.
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SPC John Tacetta
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I don't know, maybe the Army has more, but I've seen plenty of Marines sporting badges.
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SFC Mark Klaers
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I went in when Harmony Church was still an "option". Upon my graduation, my two best friends showed up with my parents, both wearing their Class A's. John in the Coast Guard and Robert in his Marine "greens". After spending the day before graduation watching what we did, how it was done and how the drills performed, Robert said some hokey thing about how my DI's must've went to Paris Island as some sort of inter-service training thing or another. His other comment was that at least the Marines could afford decent lodging for their recruits.
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Pvt Michael Todd
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Sounds like our sisters in the Army are feeling a little insecure these days.
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LCpl Mike Bundock
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As a 70 year old Marine Corps veteran, I agree wholeheartedly with this article , Marine Corps Boot Camp is a life changing experience,I remember every second of it as if it just happened, it has made a difference in my life that can't be overlooked, once a Marine always a Marine ,.Thanks <>L/Cpl Mike Bundock USMC.
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SFC Robert Walton
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That just goes to show that after Vietnam the Army got slowly and progressively laxed and passive. They even instituted co-ed Basic Training, Before that it was BCT. Way different than BT.
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PFC(P) Corey Hannen
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I mean I agree with most of this Sergeant. I just don't agree with part about the Army calling us soldiers from the beginning. When I got to reception, everybody I knew was called Trainee "Fill In Name Here". They only called us soldiers after the Forge, even then, one of our Drill Sergeant's did not care that we were about to graduate, he still called us Trainees. I remember stepping off the bus at my company for basic training. As soon as that happened, there was lots of yelling and I honestly had no idea what I was doing. I can agree that Army reception is a lot easier than the Marine Corps reception.
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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The reason for that is I wrote this over two years ago before the forge existed.
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1SG Edward Richards
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I do not know what training unit for Army you are talking about, According to you the marines are using old out dated mode of training from the 1950's. I worked with both Navy Seals, Marine Recon and other branches of our service. An we all agree we are one team period. I had a Marine Lt for a commander, I suggest you go back and get an update copy of FM 7-10.
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SSG Dale London
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I had to delete what I was originally going to say. I'll leave it at this: God help us.
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SPC Cesar Freytes
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The largest amphibious invasion in history was operation Overlord Who did it genius ?????? Hint not the marines, apples to orange's I see you retired Army and non combat affiliated MOS. My question why did you not join the Marines infantry or even the army infantry, your full of it and stop putting down your my people. You should not show yourself as SSG of the US ARMY you look embarrassed of that title
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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Cesar you completely missed the point! And infantry isn’t what makes ANYBODY an expert. I wrote this not because I hate the army, but because I love the army. The army could do a lot better than it has been. We could inject better discipline into our ranks. I served in airborne units at Ft Bragg and Spec ops units at MacDill and the motivation and discipline of the 82nd, 307th div support battalion exceeds that of a lot of infantry units. Infantry doesn’t have the market cornered on discipline. I’ve seen clerk typists in the Ranger Regt that could soldier circles around a 10th Mountain grunt. What I’m saying is we coddle soldiers. We hug a thug! Training needs to be more spartan. And as for your PHD comment you made, I spent 7 years studying what was right and wrong with both services. I watched hours and hours of video of basic training. Well I watched more video of the Marines, the army doesn’t like video of drill sergeants in action and won’t post it unless PAO approves it. The Marines don’t care, they hang it out there!
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SPC Cesar Freytes
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I see you say this shit after you retired um from the Army. May I suggest you redo your PHD thesis.
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SPC Brian Stephens
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I did not get a nice reception when I checked into Fort Sill. A screaming and angry Staff Sergeant gave us socks, underwear and T-shirts at Reception before we went to real Basic in September 1988. That first day if Basic my sleeping mat unraveled during the rush to get off the bus and race with all our gear to the pad. After breaking from the herd and getting my stuff I could do nothing right the rest of the day. Four drill sergeants rode my ass ALL DAY LONG. I was so bad I went on KP with another platoon I did not know who watched me come in. But I made friends and got support which was probably unexoected. But it was a very good reprieve. Things evened out. I even became squad leader, graduated, and had a FANTASTIC posting and career in a firing platoon.
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SPC Steven Depuy
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I have no idea what goes on today, my experience is 43 years old. I know in 76, Army basic training was a joke. But we did have to do guard duty at the Rusty Nail at Fort Knox, a Marine tanker bar on post, and honestly, I never saw a lot there that overly impressed me either. But the draft had just ended, and maybe all the services at that point were struggling to fill boots, I don't know. I have always had respect for someone who made it through Paris Island, but that does not make them a demi God, just someone who could suck it up for a few months and endure the brutal experience.
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SPC Mitch Saret
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There are two main differences between the USMC and the Army. First is size. The Marines are just a corp, the Army has many corps size units. Se one is mission. The phrase "every Marine a rifleman" really does apply. That goes for women, too. Ever notice the Marine Corps has no medics? Navy corpsman are assigned to infantry units.

I did army OSUT at Ft. Benning and it was just as you describe (Charlie 7-1). The one week reception at Ft. Jackson was way more laid back. This is another difference...there are only two places for Marine Corps boot camp and the reception station is the same place. The group in my reception outfit had people going all over for basic.

I also did jump school at Benning (44th Company, Death From Above!). And it was even more indoctrinating.

With so many non-combat oriented positions, the Army has to be different in training.
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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Sometimes comparisons is not good. When ever you compare your self with someone else (especially someone you admire you will come up short). You sited all the pro and con with army training. Also mabe you should look at retention numbers of the two forces? You cant say one is better than the other until you factor in the retention, rate, promotion rate, usmj rate even suicides rate before you lable one a successful at making a fighting machine. Comparing the to is not apples to apples. Ever corp is different, but the question I have is are they effective? I am sure the aswer is yes. They reason you go army, navy are air force is because you don't want to be a marine. Best regards
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SFC Michael Arabian
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We can all sit here and pat ourselves on the back and boast about what we did/ do for any branch of the service. We even put one branch above another as long as we served in that branch we are putting over. But to sit here and say one branch is better because you read about it is just wrong. I served 26 years active duty in the Army, My father served 14 years in the Marine Corps before passing away as a result of Vietnam, I read book and tried to find out as much as I could about the Marines and my father, does that make me an expert on the Marines No. what that make me is a Marine Corp brat, who later joined the Army and became a expert in they need of me at the time
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PO1 Michael Bruner
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Shoot, I'm ex-Navy. There was nothing reassuring when I arrived at "Great Mistakes". It was non-stop screaming for at least the first four weeks. What has the Army turned into?
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SPC Nathaniel Rheinstein
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I recall my Cav training at Benning not being very friendly
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SGM Senior Maintenance Supervisor
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Boot camp must have changed since I attended...
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SPC Gary Mckeown
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And he’s still a leg
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SPC Cesar Freytes
SPC Cesar Freytes
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Wind dummy
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TSgt Rudy Adame
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Agreed
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SFC Thomas Howes
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I don't know when you went to boot. I went in the 70's and sand hill was kick ass boot and inf school.
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SrA Richard Birdsong
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The Army sounds like the air force. You march in basic and not much after that
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PFC Gerald Bailey
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I feel that Army has gotten softer since 1982 when I went to OSUT in Fort Sill, OK. I still believe that I could've been an even better soldier had I done 10 weeks of basic training instead 8, and 7 weeks AIT instead of 5. I'm a cannon crewman.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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I would say if you are basing this off of say Ft. Jackson standards you may be correct, but if you are basing this off of OSUT you are wrong. I agree that the non combat basic needs an overhaul, heck the army is actually overhauling OSUT as well making it longer. I know when Ft. Knox had both OSUT and regular basic the standard was pretty high, but the army decide to ship TRADOC training off post.
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SPC Brad Pratt
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Having served on active duty (‘89-‘96) army. I observed the quota push in the early ‘90’s. Don’t get me wrong some of those leaders I would have followed to hell & back. But I’ve had NCOIC’s that I couldn’t understand (broken English). Other times as a corporal, I have to refresh (E-7’s & an E-8) SGT’s on D & C. Because they spent their entire career in a MEDAC & wore civilian close to work. And never what real army was (#FieldUnit)
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SPC Cesar Freytes
SPC Cesar Freytes
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Wow your English is not the best don't criticize others, and you have spell check at your disposal
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SGT Air Defense Enhanced Early Warning System Operator
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Hang my head if this pussy-fyd crap has become acceptable behavior in the Army. I often think back to my basic training in 1975 at Knox. Old wooden barracks. And bless those Vietnam grunt DI's. They kicked our asses ever day.
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CPT Air Defense Artillery Officer
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Yawn, multiple factual inaccuracies in this from the Army side. Apples and oranges at best.
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So much butthurt.

The Army does a lot of things right in my opinion. What a lot of people fail to see is the “Sh*tbaggery” that a lot of marines fall into once they hit the fleet.
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A1C Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE)
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You lost me when you said “Air Borne is an elite school” and “Drill is just as important as PT” Is that really the best use of our time?
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SPC Cesar Freytes
SPC Cesar Freytes
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Shut up your Air Force Well slap you when we need shit and a newby Air Force at that.
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A1C Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE)
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. SPC Cesar Freytes
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