Posted on Dec 8, 2017
Fighting Against the Movies: Not Everyone Pulls Triggers
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Recently, I have found myself having long conversations with civilians about the military. I am a full time student at a private university in Kansas and much of the faculty and student body has never even thought about joining the military. It isn’t anything strange; this is to be expected at such a small school and the fact that the military makes up less than 1% of the population of the country. What is interesting is that many of them have only the movies to go off of when forming their view of what everyone does in the military. Sadly, making movies about productive supply sergeants and personnel clerks doesn’t really make people line up outside of the theaters. Many civilians, in my experience, have this idea in their head that every single member of the military is out on the battlefield, kicking in doors and getting shot at or blown up. Those of us who have spent any amount of time in the military knows that this is far from the reality of the military. Perhaps this is where recruiting takes the biggest hit.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
Posted 8 y ago
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I tried college after the Army. Some SJW asked me if I killed anyone today. I looked him in the eye and said, "day ain't over..."
Some people want to know. Some are just to get a rise. If I run into someone that's got a head full of Rambo mush in his head, you just go through a day that starts with motorpool-Monday. That'll take since steam out of his fantasy.
Some people want to know. Some are just to get a rise. If I run into someone that's got a head full of Rambo mush in his head, you just go through a day that starts with motorpool-Monday. That'll take since steam out of his fantasy.
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At one time when people asked what I did in the military, I would give them a smart ass reply that I was a US Army trained terrorist (SAPPER), then would explain what I actually did.
After September 11 if someone asked me what I did in the military my response is, "I drove trucks"
After September 11 if someone asked me what I did in the military my response is, "I drove trucks"
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
My job: pull data, verify data, update data. Print a report. Rinse, Repeat. That covers ID cards, retirements, good conduct medals, awards, overseas separations, etc. The only differences were the source of the data, the method of reporting, and how many signatures were required in between.
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Some civilians you can explain thing to about the military, others are like the mule that needs a 2x4 to make the explanation to sink in.
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how from are you from fort hays, KS? I have daughter who going to school there.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I saw this comment after someone else responded just now. I actually ended up going to FHSU for my Master's.
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Hollywood is not to blame for the ignorance of the Civilian world. There have been plenty of Movies and TV shows that showed the Non-Combat part of the Military, albeit not as many as the Shooting part. Those with a bit of snow on the roof will remember a TV show back in the latter '50's early '60's called Hennesey about NAVY Doctors. Jackie Cooper played Chic Hennesey. and there was also a movie called "Red Ball Express" with Sidney Poitier in 1952, this later became a TV Series in 1973-74 called "Roll-Out" with Stu Gilliam that told of the famed truck convoy system that supplied Allied forces moving quickly through Europe after breaking out from the D-Day beaches in Normandy in 1944. So you see these are just two instances but there are more. People basically do not care if it does not directly affect them. If they do not find it interesting they will not seek it out and learn more.
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In H.S. I was in AFJROTC .. before that in Civil Air Patrol.. Made rank in the Enlisted cadets to Cadet SSGT and the school district started up with the AF help, The JROTC. A lot of the aviation books.. Rickenbacker and Hap Arnold and others I was given credit for and moved up w/o repetition of the same materials or like materials.. got to complete the Cadet Enlisted right to C/MSGT..(they didn’t have CSrMSGT or C/CmSGT. Then yet..
I was beginning to feel burnout for the JROTC.. I wanted to grow up out of the kiddy program.. so I checked out going AF Ready Reserve.. I had my completion certificate for the Cadet Enlisted program
.. spoke with Recruiters.. they said the had to check out the sitrep.. I waited .. not as long as I thought though They said there be a lot of things I’d have to do..
I took care of that part.. I’d done the battery tests.. got those done.. I did my sign up on my 17th B-dAy.. I was on my way that Friday... We got down there about 1130 that Friday night by 0100 I’d been asigned to a flight . We had a resourceful MTI.. we got a lot done that early Sat. Morn’g.. So on Monday we didn’t have much to do., Is this all a dream ? No, it’s very much real... Therd were several of us Had ROTC and a few were prior service, 1AF and 1 Army and an Army NG.. I wonder if I’ll get a position..
I’ll soon find out ! I got a Squad Ldr Job..
The College ROTC got Flight Chief(dorm chief.. that lasted 10 days.. MTI fired him
1st Squad Ldr become Dorm Chief .. I moved up to 2d Squad Ldr. A week later, he’s fired.. I moved to 1st..Sq. Ldr. 5 days that guy lasted.. “HERRST, GET IN HERE! DO You think you can help me make this a winning flight?” He asked I’ll do my darndest, SGT ________, Sir! “. “We’ll see!”m Go to work, here’s your board!”
He handed me my Clip board There is not much time left. 14 more days go by, I’m still Dorm Chief.. “DORM CHIEF! Take these people to Bldg ——, I’ll see you over there.. Base theater over by the base gym
Does e’body Have e’thing.; salt pills, canteen full, raincoat, Training book? ..
Everybody got e’thing. We’re good to go..
off we went .. “Who’s got a Jody? Keep it clean!” We tried best we could on that, so I called to cut it.. checked my watch.. we still had time.. I stopped the flight and told them take 5 in place and grab a drink.. “ no talking, save your breath!”
Canteens away, tighten it up. Ten-hut f’ward harch let’s get it in step. I seen
The red hat ladies march better and they’re all 80 years old..!” They didn’t like that.. so they got it straight and we stopped at the base theater.. Our MTI
Showed up and took over.. later after the movie, he said we had to talk.. “what’s this you said you seen the red hat ladies march better and they’re 80 years old !”
“That I did ‘l. “You’re gonna do ok! I’ve been hearing good talk about you from all the trainees.. not just our flight but others.. they say you have Command presence .. I like that ! We had 3 inspections and the flight had 2 very minor fixable right then gigs.. end of basic comes and I made it all rest of the way .. I and several others had to hang over for a week.. I needed to get back to my Reserve unit and School.. I’d never told any of the guys in the Flight, no way !
I got home with about 3 days left before starting school.. couldn’t be in AFJROTC anymore ..but I felt better about myself then.. So I had drills and got some good
Deploys .. it was work I enjoyed doing.
And why be doing s’thing you don’t enjoy.
I stayed in the AF 14-1/2 yrs if it were not for the Accident.. .. I’d of done a lot more..
I was beginning to feel burnout for the JROTC.. I wanted to grow up out of the kiddy program.. so I checked out going AF Ready Reserve.. I had my completion certificate for the Cadet Enlisted program
.. spoke with Recruiters.. they said the had to check out the sitrep.. I waited .. not as long as I thought though They said there be a lot of things I’d have to do..
I took care of that part.. I’d done the battery tests.. got those done.. I did my sign up on my 17th B-dAy.. I was on my way that Friday... We got down there about 1130 that Friday night by 0100 I’d been asigned to a flight . We had a resourceful MTI.. we got a lot done that early Sat. Morn’g.. So on Monday we didn’t have much to do., Is this all a dream ? No, it’s very much real... Therd were several of us Had ROTC and a few were prior service, 1AF and 1 Army and an Army NG.. I wonder if I’ll get a position..
I’ll soon find out ! I got a Squad Ldr Job..
The College ROTC got Flight Chief(dorm chief.. that lasted 10 days.. MTI fired him
1st Squad Ldr become Dorm Chief .. I moved up to 2d Squad Ldr. A week later, he’s fired.. I moved to 1st..Sq. Ldr. 5 days that guy lasted.. “HERRST, GET IN HERE! DO You think you can help me make this a winning flight?” He asked I’ll do my darndest, SGT ________, Sir! “. “We’ll see!”m Go to work, here’s your board!”
He handed me my Clip board There is not much time left. 14 more days go by, I’m still Dorm Chief.. “DORM CHIEF! Take these people to Bldg ——, I’ll see you over there.. Base theater over by the base gym
Does e’body Have e’thing.; salt pills, canteen full, raincoat, Training book? ..
Everybody got e’thing. We’re good to go..
off we went .. “Who’s got a Jody? Keep it clean!” We tried best we could on that, so I called to cut it.. checked my watch.. we still had time.. I stopped the flight and told them take 5 in place and grab a drink.. “ no talking, save your breath!”
Canteens away, tighten it up. Ten-hut f’ward harch let’s get it in step. I seen
The red hat ladies march better and they’re all 80 years old..!” They didn’t like that.. so they got it straight and we stopped at the base theater.. Our MTI
Showed up and took over.. later after the movie, he said we had to talk.. “what’s this you said you seen the red hat ladies march better and they’re 80 years old !”
“That I did ‘l. “You’re gonna do ok! I’ve been hearing good talk about you from all the trainees.. not just our flight but others.. they say you have Command presence .. I like that ! We had 3 inspections and the flight had 2 very minor fixable right then gigs.. end of basic comes and I made it all rest of the way .. I and several others had to hang over for a week.. I needed to get back to my Reserve unit and School.. I’d never told any of the guys in the Flight, no way !
I got home with about 3 days left before starting school.. couldn’t be in AFJROTC anymore ..but I felt better about myself then.. So I had drills and got some good
Deploys .. it was work I enjoyed doing.
And why be doing s’thing you don’t enjoy.
I stayed in the AF 14-1/2 yrs if it were not for the Accident.. .. I’d of done a lot more..
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There are movies that are out that people can get.. or go to YouTube to watch that describe different occupations in the Military .. so, when you get the chance to direct s’body to check on military occupations .. there is a gov’t video source of different military occupations..
I just don’t know where to send you. If anyone knows. Please come forward !
I just don’t know where to send you. If anyone knows. Please come forward !
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
Go Army .com has job specialty rundowns and videos the last I checked. My son used that website to show me what jobs he was considering when he enlisted. Woulda been cool to have had that when I signed up.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
After I posted my comrnts I came across ones that different Service branches have. There are some bogus sites... be careful you might get a virus. So go to only the vetted sites by the Service branches.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
Wanda, I didn’t know when you went in.. but there was prob’ly some kind of feature like a slide show .. Our recruiter got a stack of films from AF now of all the various
Air Force Specialties (which there wasn’t many of when I joined in
‘70.) he made a carousel slide show
Up of the career fields.. fortunately
The movies had cc that went along.. I had been in AFJROTC and seen many of them and knew what I wanted... I was surprised when I saw the slides they showed of the
Cook and Baker school run by the Quartermaster Corps . I went through there in ‘70 and recognized some of the instructors.. I went to the AFB in Jersey and some of them guys told me forget a lot of that stuff.. i’m Glad I didn’t listen ..
I call it ‘adapt and overcome’.. I was already an accomplished cook when I went into the AF Reserve.. (I took the Specialty knowledge bypass test while in basic.. No getting stuck in grunge jobs.. still had some.. but I got to do some cooking and baking .. Wherever
Your son goes and does in the service it will prob’ly be an experience.. that he can translate
into a civilian job later..
Air Force Specialties (which there wasn’t many of when I joined in
‘70.) he made a carousel slide show
Up of the career fields.. fortunately
The movies had cc that went along.. I had been in AFJROTC and seen many of them and knew what I wanted... I was surprised when I saw the slides they showed of the
Cook and Baker school run by the Quartermaster Corps . I went through there in ‘70 and recognized some of the instructors.. I went to the AFB in Jersey and some of them guys told me forget a lot of that stuff.. i’m Glad I didn’t listen ..
I call it ‘adapt and overcome’.. I was already an accomplished cook when I went into the AF Reserve.. (I took the Specialty knowledge bypass test while in basic.. No getting stuck in grunge jobs.. still had some.. but I got to do some cooking and baking .. Wherever
Your son goes and does in the service it will prob’ly be an experience.. that he can translate
into a civilian job later..
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
Been so long I forget whether the video had stills or action but job descriptions were very clear. The main difference I see now is that those same videos are available online to be viewed where convenient instead of having to go to the recruiter's office. As for me, I was a personnel clerk (75E/Actions) and he is Apache repair. Yes, he will be quite in demand when he leaves the service. He hopes to retire after 20 years or so. Fortunately, he had enough personal observation to see what I dealt with as a single parent soldier, insight to reflect on it as he matured, and wisdom to avoid my mistakes. however, as a young pup, he's made plenty of his own, and he's paying for them. Still, he's a SGT with a very good rep among his peers and superiors. Plus his battle buddies all think it's way cool he can talk career with his mom. They don't realize I expect him to be perfect, or as close to it as he can pull off - and he has the same expectation because he's just like me.
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You can rain down a lot of death without firing a rifle. A B-52 pilot could kill a lot of enemy without actually meeting them. Artillery, mortars, you name it. Even a Ninja Sword
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So...did the Professor follow up on the discussion? She could go become a Missile Officer they NEVER go overseas!!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Actually, she had a few packet in for new teaching positions but we have spoken more about going and speaking to a recruiter if those fail to bear fruit.
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SSgt Liam Babington
There is always the Reserves/National Guard! The Air Force needs good officiers and Professors usually thrive there! Two of my commanders were College Professors and were the best I ever had!! You can tell her from my personal experience! The best commanders in the Air Force ARE Professors! Hands down!!
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Thanks for your Service Capt. Goldman and your great advice to someone who evidently didn't know anyting about the military or had preconceived notions herself.
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