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Posted on Dec 5, 2014
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SFC Jeff Gurchinoff
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I would like to see Rally Point help one of our own. A friend of mine and Veteran is right now struggling in Colorado for a place to live. A Go Fund Me site has been established. It doesn't take much but a little bit from a lot of people will mean nothing to all of us and it will mean EVERYTHING to this Vet and his Wife Lisa PLEASE HELP.. Lets go beyond talking and really make a difference by helping

http://www.gofundme.com/bloecherstoyoopee

My friends Eddie and Lisa Bloecher need you RIGHT NOW.. don't wait, get a fellow soldiers back

Thank you! Jeff
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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It's my pleasure. I wish I could help more. It breaks my heart to know veterans are going through so much here at home, when they went through so much in war time. It's just not right. Veterans should be at the top of the list for some help long before illegals. Our Nations priorities are so screwed up. Being in the military is not just something you do for kicks. It's something you want to do to support our Nation and its citizens.
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PV2 Senior Web Designer, Web Team Lead
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Done and shared on Facebook. Thank you for letting us know!
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SFC Jeff Gurchinoff
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Thank you guys for helping out! I knew Rally Point would not let Eddie and Lisa down!
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SFC Jeff Gurchinoff
SFC Jeff Gurchinoff
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Rally Point is a HUGE group of military and former military members. Come on people! You don't have to make a large donation- 5 bucks you would waste on a short term gratification Starbucks means nothing to you guys but would change lives if donated to Ed and Lisa! PLEASE Donate whatever you won't miss to help them out! http://www.gofundme.com/bloecherstoyoopee
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SSG Gerhard S.
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My wife works at the VA Hospital in Detroit, and advises me that the VA actually has a number of programs for Homeless Veterans. One of the best things we can do to help a homeless veteran is to give him, or her a ride to the nearest VA hospital to speak with a Veterans Service Organization officer, or to a VA Social Worker/Pt. Advocate. Here's some more information on VA Homeless programs.
http://www.va.gov/homeless/
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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Works in theory but in reality,,,,,, not so much.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Having not had the experience myself, I'll take your word for that SSgt (Join to see) , I do know there are a wide range of programs, and that the VA hospital in Detroit hires a fair amount of Veterans, homeless and otherwise for both skilled and non skilled positions.
It can be worthwhile to check in with the VA if one of us falls on hard times.
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CPL Dana Raye Foussat
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I agree with SSgt (Verify To See) the VA talks a good talk but when it comes right down to it they can't back it up. I have been told about numerous programs for this or that and each time there is always a reason that I am not eligible. Imagine that.
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SFC Collin McMillion
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Houston allows you to get a "panhandling permit", and there has been more than one complaint about observing these individuals after completion of their "shift" getting into their Mercedes or simular cars and driving away. Must be rewarding!
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SFC Collin McMillion
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Never be sorry for the truth.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Vi, thanks for being long winded. I learn a lot from you. You're really not that bad, but I am. Someone ask me what time it is, I tell them how to build a watch. Lol
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PV2 Violet Case
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Thank you SFC Collin McMillion and SGT Keith Bodine. and SGT Keith Bodine I find that one hard to believe don't be so hard on yourself. If I'm having a bad day I wouldn't wear a watch then. Cause I would need my space and when that happens time doesn't exist anyway. But there is this problem I may be long winded but I can't go to the store for a gallon of milk and come out in less then an hour. People are always coming up to me to talk. lol...I stopped the hugs even tho I love hugs from people but now days immune trouble don't want the hugs. Well I do but I don't ;-)
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SFC Collin McMillion
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Better to be hugged than shot, been on both sides of that!
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It's hard for me to tell if the person proclaiming to be a homeless vet is a homeless vet. The only homeless vets I know for sure are at the VA in the Homeless Reach Out program. I did something yesterday I've never done before. While leaving the VA a man standing on a corner had a sign which simply read " Vet Having Hard Times". I gave him some money and guess what? It felt great to help him whether he was a homeless vet or not. I've never ever given a dime to a street begger. Not that I will do it for every street person, but I don't feellike I'm getting ripped off like I did. Someone on RP pointed out that we can't control what is done with the money we give them, but we'll feel better if we do, and I did. I made this earlier.
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MAJ Senior Observer   Controller/Trainer
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PV2 Violet Case, I am so happy to hear that! Hopefully, it will work out well for all concerned! Good luck!
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PV2 Violet Case
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I just sent the email and hope it will too. This is part of my place and it was all brush and trees and I cleared it after my leg surgery with a push mower, machette, axe and clippers and my neighbor came over and he said hard way to do that isn't it. I took my glove off and had blisters covering my hands. I said yep sure is. I did it right after leg surgery on this leg you can see the line right where they cut it off . But the soldiering up and doing all this and getting sicker has been making it alot harder I dont want to have to leave here MAJ Paul Hoiland But am afraid as my illnesses get worse and my ankle from pushing by myself I will have to leave. Blood sweat and tears went into this with lots of pain. So thank you for telling me about that place if the Lord willing I will get a response. It is hard tho I explained in the letter when I tried to help a civilian couple who were homeless that my daughter new they stole from me even my meds and for goodness sake my leg brace. And my daughter told them to get lost and later saw a picture of one of them in my leg brace pan handling money with it on. I am upset about that because now I have to pay for a new one and that one was almost $1600. They also stole my meds but the police didn't catch them before they got out of town. So yes people I could use much prayer on this.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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Wow PV2 Violet Case Awesome! Thanks for helping.
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PV2 Violet Case
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Well I have not heard back yet hope it won't be too long so I can make the summer plans. The summers are very short up here. But as you all no I have troubles with explaining myself sometimes and they really did not have a questionare or anything to fill out or what to do when I contacted them. All I no is I think it could maybe be a good thing if veterans that own land could do that for those who are trying to get it back together. We could end up helping each other. Veteran to veteran brother sister and I would probably sleep at night knowing there was another veteran living here. But yes SSgt L Ol it could work, But the other person would have to be willing to work around here too for the meals and things. It costs money to take care of others especially the groceries up here. Great fishing and hunting areas tho.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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I have never been what I consider homeless, although I did live in a tent down along side the Boise river in Caldwell for a month or so because I didn't have a real house. I've never gone hungry, although there have been a few times I wondered where my meal the next day would come from. When I was a kid, my Dad, who went through the great depression, told me: No matter now hard times are, you can always find job. It might not be what you want, but it will feed you and give you a place to stay. That has stuck with me my entire life and I've always been able to make do. After saying that I got a few questions and statements:
Are we homeless because we choose to be or because there is nothing else?
Is it life's situation we can't cope with or our state of mind?
Do we really want help or are we so drowned in pity we refuse help, even when given?
Do we choose to be homeless because we don't want to conform to society, rules, regulations, etc?
I don't know. I wish I had all the answers to the questions. I know much of it is mental and many just can't handle it, and we need to get them some help. I do believe there is a certain number of homeless who thrive on the "homeless" situation and don't want to pick themselves up and go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not negative, but I'm just raising some questions which popped in my head. Being on the "verge" and even been one who's looked down the barrel of my .45 auto and thinking about pulling the trigger, I do understand. Sometimes I feel we must reach down and dig deep. Sometime we need some help when we dig deep to get back so we can grab the rim and pull ourselves out.
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SSG Don Maggart
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Miss one appointment At a so called Social Service Agency / Government Entity then drop to the bottom of the list, my how quickly your tune would change...
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Force greedy people in CONgress and State Houses to kick loose some $$ by pressure at the ballot boxes, with Veterans organizations...
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You are absolutely correct that mental health is a huge (although not the only) cause of homelessness, and that warehousing mentally ill doesn't work. There are solutions, though.

Re the economy, I've said it many times - a major ($2-3 Trillion) Infrastructure program in this country (which is desperately needed, btw), would actually turn the economy around. And the workers of today who do this type of work make much more than the pennies that the ditch diggers of yore got paid.

To do nothing, however, is the worst choice, whether you single out homeless veterans, who like us, fought for our country, or whether you look at all street people. That only makes things worse...
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If you check, you'll find that hospitalizing people permanently is the most expensive way to deal with the situation, prison being the other extremely expensive way.

Even with mentally ill people, if proper treatment is provided, many can function. Others can safely be taken off the streets, which just benefits everyone.

I can understand, but not endorse, your cynicism...
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Gus, I worked as a chaplain at an inner city trauma center in Philly. I understand the ER problem. My point is that there are other ways of dealing with the mentally ill, than warehousing... The problem is that we outlawed warehousing and did not implement any alternatives - nobody wants to pay for that, but there's always money to pay for boarding at the ER...
SSG Don Maggart
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Matthew 25 41-46
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CPT Jack Durish
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This weekend I am participating in a "Stand Down" during which homeless veterans are being transported to a facility where they can get a shower and a meal, and receive some care and one-on-one attention. It's a small relief from their drab existences, one day out of a year. But, I suppose, it's something.

Even this small benefit requires an organization, fund raising, volunteers, supplies, equipment, facility. Ultimately, therein lies the answer to the question at hand. All those who care and want to do something have to organize. That's the first step.

Think of it as a tactical operation. Think of the basic op order. The one advantage homeless veterans have is that other veterans care and no one is better at organizing and team work than those who have served. All we have to do is get off our duffs and serve.

Or you could wait for the government to do something. Sure...
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SSG Don Maggart
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By putting aside our busy lives and doing it a trip to the Dollar Store putting together a necessary kit and always having one or two in the trunk is a viable option... a extra Happy Meal goes a long way on a Cold day a kind word a polite conversation and yes 5 bucks for a room in a shelter for a night can save a life some night... it's not Rocket Science it's the Individual will to start somewhere...
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CPT Jack Durish
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There are two issues here: Perception and reality. America's perception of veterans can hinder helping them if it is adverse. As to the reality, sure there are better ways to help homeless veterans, none of which involve the government. They have failed veterans at every turn and there is no reasonable expectation that they will turn that around. Thus, it's up to us to help our brothers and sisters. I'm helping. Are you?
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SSG Don Maggart
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Everyday I can Everyway I can....Sir as we all should be doing transitioning from the Big Green Weenie to The Purple Rod of Government is a Bridge to Far in some cases Veterans end up under it...
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When Veterans are in the military, the chain of command is OBLIGATED (at the very least) to take care of the members of their unit. The best leaders go far beyond what is expected and individuals rely heavily on each other to get them through tough times. Once a member of the military leaves that safety net, they are thrown in with a civilian population that has a difficult time, despite most of their well-meaning intentions, understanding and helping them. They feel alienated and alone. They are tenacious, but it is an uphill battle to be able to learn a new language, relate their skills to such a foreign world, and stay motivated when their isn't one other person to lean on when they stumble and fall.
So, how do we help them? Creating strong and meaningful veteran relationships. Within the groups, there must be knowledgeable members that can liaise between veterans and Veteran-Focused Organizations, who have a hard time servicing veterans who have to overcome the stigma of needing help and lack the personnel to both help and find these veterans.
We help them by providing systems and organizations that provide purpose by deepening the relationships within organizations to a level that each will understand and be able to respond when help is needed.
Lastly, we help them by not treating them like a charity case. They would rather be homeless knowing that they did that on their own. They need a hand up and not a hand out. Sitting with them where they are and spending actual time and effort getting to know them as an individual rather than looking down on them and pitying them. None of us can be 100% positive that won't or couldn't be us one day. How would we want to be treated if we were homeless?
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CPT Multifunctional Logistician
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IIm definitely not advocating learned helplessness. It's a reality, unfortunately. Yes. It is huge shock. Ask any Veteran.
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CPT Multifunctional Logistician
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I am glad that you did not struggle. That was not my experience.
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