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When I was in the Navy, alcohol impacted me as part of Naval tradition as a Sailor. Sailors are known to be hard drinkers and party-goers, and mostly known for a bad reputation. We had a motto in our Division (V-2 Launch & Recovery): "Work hard, party hard." It was part of being on a carrier and part of being in "One of the worst Divisions in the Air Department."
People labeled us as "Grease Monkeys" because we worked ungodly hours and could never stay clean since maintenance always involved some type of heavy grease. We did what we did best on liberty - drink.
I never got arrested or anything but yes, alcoholism affects our military. It really just boils down to how your Chain of Command handles morale. I don't think that there is anything wrong with alcohol as long as you drink responsibly.
When the morale is good and high, tension and stress are minimized which equals less instances regarding alcohol-related events. When morale is low, alcohol can be a problem when not considering it responsibly.
People labeled us as "Grease Monkeys" because we worked ungodly hours and could never stay clean since maintenance always involved some type of heavy grease. We did what we did best on liberty - drink.
I never got arrested or anything but yes, alcoholism affects our military. It really just boils down to how your Chain of Command handles morale. I don't think that there is anything wrong with alcohol as long as you drink responsibly.
When the morale is good and high, tension and stress are minimized which equals less instances regarding alcohol-related events. When morale is low, alcohol can be a problem when not considering it responsibly.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
More often than not if creeps in and affects our military families and organizations in a great manner.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
We had a similar motto in my Marine Corps unit (3/3) Work hard, play harder.I adjusted quite well to the social culture of the Marines in the 80's. I do not recommend it to anyone. It took another ten years after I was discharged before I was able to give up the party life.
It destroyed one marriage and led to many hard times that could have been avoided had I been sober and cared.
One of the biggest side affects I have noticed about party animals is the I don't give a crap attitude.
It destroyed one marriage and led to many hard times that could have been avoided had I been sober and cared.
One of the biggest side affects I have noticed about party animals is the I don't give a crap attitude.
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See, this is why I don't drink! These statistics are scary. I don't understand the whole, 'gee, I had a stressed out day, I need a drink' mindset. I think we need more programs for service members, esp. the young ones. Programs that don't get axed because the risk assessment came back to high. Why not have a boxing club? We could start 3 gun competitions. Push more intramural sports programs. How about starting something that can be funded by the DoD and allow service members a healthy alternative to drinking and doing otherwise unhealthy things. We reduce the service members 'need' to drink, we can lower a lot of problems we are currently experiencing.
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SSG Keven Lahde
SPC(P) Jay Heenan Well said. I agree that we should look into a DoD sponsored program. But problem with is, trying to spark interest and not make it mandatory to participate.
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Programs are great, but at what cost? DOD is already strapped for cash; I am not ok with spending more of your hard earned check to cover more programs. If you are a married E-4 and I tax your income even more than it already is, then I am hurting your family, that is just not right. If you choose to buy a 6 pack a week or have a glass of wine a night that is your choice. I, your CoC, DOD, municipalities, or even the Fed Gov. should not be able to take that choice away from you...until you show that you are not able to handle the responsibility of it.
Obviously this is not directed "at" you since you do not drink, but I feel it is important to think that way as a leader. "Never put yourself in a position where you can take from these men." CPT Dick Winters
Obviously this is not directed "at" you since you do not drink, but I feel it is important to think that way as a leader. "Never put yourself in a position where you can take from these men." CPT Dick Winters
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34,400 arrests per year, with half of those for driving under the influence. OMG, I didn't realize the problem was this pervasive. This is another great infographic produced by the RallyPoint Team!
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I've always joked and told my friends that anywhere from Friday night to Monday morning, Â an attack could happen and no one would see it coming.
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PO3 Camille Romero
This is one reason why I don't agree with the military employing "Humanist" chaplains (predominantly those who have atheistic mentality/beliefs). Alcoholism affects people physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally. How can a body overcome such powerful addiction strictly with human guidance alone?
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
More often than not if creeps in and affects our military families and organizations in a great manner.
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It would be really great if I could read these things without having to hunt down a magnifying glass.
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SPC Charles Estes
Hook your computer to your flatscreen. Many have DVI and/or VGA connections. Push come to shove, Amazon has both DVI and VGA to HDMI cables. I use one on my projector.
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I am a big proponent of personal responsibility. I feel that if you treat Soldiers like adults, they will generally act like adults. However, if a Soldier proves to be less than adult about adult beverages then as leaders we should swiftly and strongly help him assess his priorities. We should also investigate into what was the cause; poor judgement, weakness to peer pressure, bad home life, low self estem, suicidal tendancies etc. We should not punish the whole for the sins of the few.
We used to have Officers Clubs, NCO Clubs and Enlisted Clubs; there were slowly erroded away to all ranks clubs then none at all (partly due to alcohal related incedences, and partly due to the lack of being held properly accountable, and partly due to progressive/liberal thinking) . As adults we should be able to drink and have a place to go with like minded individuals.
In previous wars Soldiers were allowed to drink; some units even operated their own bar. If a Soldier had a perticular rough mission he could releve some stress over a cold one. Now the Soldier is expected to keep his concerns bottled up inside. Ever wonder why depresion, PTSD, and suicide rates are higher now than before? I do not believe that self medicating with booz is the answer; however I do not believe the absolute removal of booze is the answer either.
Anytime that something legal is made illegal, you have not removed the item, you have only made criminals. [please feel free to use this logic to any item that leadership/government is trying to take away from its people]
We used to have Officers Clubs, NCO Clubs and Enlisted Clubs; there were slowly erroded away to all ranks clubs then none at all (partly due to alcohal related incedences, and partly due to the lack of being held properly accountable, and partly due to progressive/liberal thinking) . As adults we should be able to drink and have a place to go with like minded individuals.
In previous wars Soldiers were allowed to drink; some units even operated their own bar. If a Soldier had a perticular rough mission he could releve some stress over a cold one. Now the Soldier is expected to keep his concerns bottled up inside. Ever wonder why depresion, PTSD, and suicide rates are higher now than before? I do not believe that self medicating with booz is the answer; however I do not believe the absolute removal of booze is the answer either.
Anytime that something legal is made illegal, you have not removed the item, you have only made criminals. [please feel free to use this logic to any item that leadership/government is trying to take away from its people]
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I've been out of the regular Army for 21 years. All the clubs are gone???!!! I remember slot machines in the NCO club in Baumholder. I think I'm going to cry.
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I am curious as to how much Alcohol related driving incidents went up once they closed the on base clubs!
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From my own very personal experience, alcohol use and abuse is deadly. My best friend for many years was a British Royal Army Soldier and served in Northern Ireland. He was a constant drinker. After years of drinking he was diagnosed with cirrhosis. Soon after he was injured and unable to work. He mixed a deadly combination of alcoholic beverages and prescription pain killers, passed out on the way to the head, and died. Tragic.
Do I drink? Yes, occasionally. Do I drink to excess? No, never. A clear indicator about the acceptance of alcohol abuse in the military is when you go to the PX/BX or class 6 and notice they sell "Military Special" whisky, vodka, gin, etc. Why do we need our own?
Education is one step. The second, which we are trying to accomplish, is reducing the stigma of talking about what is going on inside your brain housing group. While not publicized, when I joined, platoon Sergeants (called platoon Daddy's back then) had significant life experience to go along with the Chevrons and provided counsel. My first USMC platoon Sergeant was a Viet Nam Veteran. Sometimes that counsel was at the spit shined toe of a boot and sometimes it was talking. Perhaps we need to slow promotions and ensure our Staff and Senior NCOs and Chiefs have the life experience to go along with the military experience before promotion. That is just one thought, but in a world of draw downs, harder missions with fewer resources, and more deployment time, that may just not be a real answer.
Do I drink? Yes, occasionally. Do I drink to excess? No, never. A clear indicator about the acceptance of alcohol abuse in the military is when you go to the PX/BX or class 6 and notice they sell "Military Special" whisky, vodka, gin, etc. Why do we need our own?
Education is one step. The second, which we are trying to accomplish, is reducing the stigma of talking about what is going on inside your brain housing group. While not publicized, when I joined, platoon Sergeants (called platoon Daddy's back then) had significant life experience to go along with the Chevrons and provided counsel. My first USMC platoon Sergeant was a Viet Nam Veteran. Sometimes that counsel was at the spit shined toe of a boot and sometimes it was talking. Perhaps we need to slow promotions and ensure our Staff and Senior NCOs and Chiefs have the life experience to go along with the military experience before promotion. That is just one thought, but in a world of draw downs, harder missions with fewer resources, and more deployment time, that may just not be a real answer.
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Well, according to my PHA having more than 3 drinks in a sitting means I'm an alcoholic... not to say I'd ever do such a thing.
That said, I know many people who drink their fair share. Hell, TDY's are like one big ol' drinking contest at times. Theres no harm in drinking here and there.
I think where it becomes an issue is when it effects your work, your family, your social life, and when you feel you NEED to drink, not WANT to drink. Sadly, that interpretation I'm finding is "wrong". I've had to recommend some guys to ADAPT because the drinking was causing issues, and they're better for it. But when the military classifies it in such a shallow way that anyone could break it just by having a rough day... makes you think.
That said, I know many people who drink their fair share. Hell, TDY's are like one big ol' drinking contest at times. Theres no harm in drinking here and there.
I think where it becomes an issue is when it effects your work, your family, your social life, and when you feel you NEED to drink, not WANT to drink. Sadly, that interpretation I'm finding is "wrong". I've had to recommend some guys to ADAPT because the drinking was causing issues, and they're better for it. But when the military classifies it in such a shallow way that anyone could break it just by having a rough day... makes you think.
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SSgt James Gallegos,
"Well, according to my PHA having more than 3 drinks in a sitting means I'm an alcoholic... not to say I'd ever do such a thing."
I have two drinks, change seats, have two more, repeat as necessary.
"Well, according to my PHA having more than 3 drinks in a sitting means I'm an alcoholic... not to say I'd ever do such a thing."
I have two drinks, change seats, have two more, repeat as necessary.
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Instead of pointing fingers, perhaps we should be analyzing why these statistics are coming to pass.
These statistics look as if they are looking at veterans returning from war-time, not just the average soldier, and thus maybe these veterans are having a hard time transitioning, or are having a harder time coping with stress. Maybe we aren't giving our military members the tools they need to succeed after being in a war zone, so they turn to the only other thing they know that de-stresses them: alcohol.
As pointed out by a few other commentors, alcohol is a part of the military lifestyle; it probably shouldn't be.
These statistics look as if they are looking at veterans returning from war-time, not just the average soldier, and thus maybe these veterans are having a hard time transitioning, or are having a harder time coping with stress. Maybe we aren't giving our military members the tools they need to succeed after being in a war zone, so they turn to the only other thing they know that de-stresses them: alcohol.
As pointed out by a few other commentors, alcohol is a part of the military lifestyle; it probably shouldn't be.
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People will find their own solutions to stress; it may not be the healthiest method either. Soldiers, Police, Firemen, etc. learn not to draw "negative" attention to themselves by seeking counseling, going to the doctor and such. I bet if a study was done on other forms of self medication the returning Soldiers would score worse than the average citizen. How many of the troops self medicate with anti-social behaviors, porn, over spending, fast/reckless driving, and the list could go on with many unwanted behaviors.
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SGT Rebekkah Thomas
I also believe that is the case, SSG Gilbreath.
I think we are not helping our soldiers enough to give them positive ways to cope. We also need to make it more acceptable to seek help from professionals. I know when I got help my unit turned its back on me, and that isn't an acceptable reaction to a soldier seeking help for alcoholism, drug addiction, or any other negative coping mechanism that the military has encouraged us to pick up.
I think we are not helping our soldiers enough to give them positive ways to cope. We also need to make it more acceptable to seek help from professionals. I know when I got help my unit turned its back on me, and that isn't an acceptable reaction to a soldier seeking help for alcoholism, drug addiction, or any other negative coping mechanism that the military has encouraged us to pick up.
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SGT Rebekkah Thomas (sorry for the long delay in response) I am sad to hear about how your unit treated you for doing the right and noble thing. I have heard those stories before from others. I feel the Army does a pretty good job of paying lip service to these "more petty" problems with no real follow though. Conversely we take class after class on suicide awareness, SHARP, endless safety briefings where drinking to excess or drinking and driving are preached against. I wonder if the Army ever stopped to think that if they dealt with the small problems in a more effective and healthy way for the Soldier then a lot of those big problem would probably take care of themselves. Who knows how much of a reduction in rape, drunk driving and suicide we could see if Soldiers were not stigmatized for seeking help.
*edit* I do not mean to say that alcoholism is in any way a petty problem. it is just that those are not the "Big" issues or talking points of the Army at the moment. Alcoholism is a true killer and should be treated as such, I have lost someone close to me because of it.
*edit* I do not mean to say that alcoholism is in any way a petty problem. it is just that those are not the "Big" issues or talking points of the Army at the moment. Alcoholism is a true killer and should be treated as such, I have lost someone close to me because of it.
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Decrease the stresses on the military that lead them to alcohol in the first place. Â Although I would hazard a guess that alcoholism in the military is probably on par with the rate found at a large college campus...a large group of young people, away from home for the first time, with some money to burn.
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PO2 Jonathan Scharff
Lt Col (Join to see) I don't know what it was like where you attended school, but I can say that at least for two of my sons colleges, the drinking rate was much higher. Not saying that means its OK, but just another unbiased example.
I think it is more of a problem because of a lack of accountability with our youth now. We have raised an entire generation of kids that aren't being held accountable for their actions and this is one of the unfortunate results. But, that is a completely different conversation.
I think it is more of a problem because of a lack of accountability with our youth now. We have raised an entire generation of kids that aren't being held accountable for their actions and this is one of the unfortunate results. But, that is a completely different conversation.
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its really hard to reduce the stresses on the military when we are ordered by our political leaders to countries and fights we did not start. point is invalid.
it all boils down to personal accountability. there are programs that can help those that are struggling, but the actions of few should not dictate the treatment of all.
it all boils down to personal accountability. there are programs that can help those that are struggling, but the actions of few should not dictate the treatment of all.
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I agree, but there are things we can do to reduce stresses. How much ancillary training do you do? How many exercises not related to deployment? How many sexual assault awareness, suicide prevention, and safety CBTs do you sit through? How long is your average day at home station, in a non-combat environment?
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good points sir. As a SAPR VA I facilitate a lot of those training sessions and therefore have seen first hand the entire groups eyes glaze over when they find out its time for more mandatory training.
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I entered the US Army in June of 1984, back then it was a drink as much as you possibly can thing. My first permanent duty station was at Fort Polk, LA. There wasn't much to do in off duty time but drink. It was common to see SFCs, MSGs and the occasional 1SG on Community Service on the side of the highways. It wasn't until the early-mid 1990s that when the drawdown started there became a zero defect Army and many fell victim to this. I think too often as soldiers/sailors/airmen and marines are subjected to deployment after deployment they turn to alcohol instead of seeking help. How do I know this? I am one who battled this. I went for years without drinking any alcohol. I now have the discipline to not rely on alcohol as a means of trying to help me forget, but I have a social drink every now and then. Is it hard? yes it is. I almost let alcohol ruin my life.
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SSG Paul Lanciault
I was in during the 80s. isolated PRP sites, road duty, field duty, etc. One constant was drinking. Even a hitch in the guards years later was no different. What was shameful was the Army's response to a soldier who wanted help with the problem. Threats of revoking security clearances and PRP. With holding promotions, etc. It seems the Army would rather have a functional alcoholic than a recovering soldier.
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