Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I am a member of the American Legion. However I don't really visit the post for the same reason I won't visit the VFW. In my experience half the members are bar fliea. The other half are busy trying to recruit "young" members. Yet once the young vets show up, they are not part of the good ol' boy (gulf war, vietnam) club. So they get treated like outsiders or just a body the boost the posts numbers.
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CPO Mike Castro
I joined the VFW because my Chief (a Veitnam Veteran) told me to, they had a table set up on the pier when we came back from the Gulf War. I stayed because the active Post memebers are the best the human race has to offer and I inherently need to help people and Post Commmanders have granted mehe privilege of being the Post Service Officer going on 8 years now. Honestly, we are too busy to sit around drinking. My Post actively engages in every program National has.
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CPO Mike Castro
The only other Veterans Orangization in country is the FRA and I'm a memeber of that to.
VFW used me first so beyond going to meeting I don't do much with the FRA.
VFW used me first so beyond going to meeting I don't do much with the FRA.
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I have not because of my father's experience post gulf war. I'll admit that it left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems to be a common thread for vets to not consider the wars of their successors to be "Real wars" or for my generation to be "Real soldiers." And it doesn't help that so much of my family did serve in 'Nam. All I ever got from the VFW was this sense that My father simply wasn't good enough for their super special club.
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CPT Jack Durish
SGT (Join to see) You have no idea how badly it pains me to hear of your family's experiences. I too stayed away from veterans organizations because of stories of bad treatment Vietnam Vets received when they approached them. However, "those people" are mostly gone now to their graves and it's our turn to take the helm, to make them better places for all veterans.
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SGT (Join to see)
I think, CPT Jack Durish, The VFW may well have come a long way, and it almost certainly different in different places, so I can't possibly judge someone for being a part of it. I just feel like I am better off without, at least for now. Maybe some day, but for now there still is a part of me that took that attitude to heart.
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CPT Jack Durish
SSgt Ed Payne The funny thing is that we who served have "lived" a little more than those who haven't. While our peers settled into their lives we went adventuring. I suspect that, like me, it was a habit that formed even before we enlisted. Thus, if our span of years should fall short, we won't have missed much when they begin "throwing dirt" in our faces.
And don't be surprised if someone envies you just a little for it. My brother who took the more sensible path, frequently suggested that we go off on an adventure after he retired. Sadly, it was too late for him to attempt to recreate my adventures and his plans never got beyond the idea stage.
Adventuring is for the young...
And don't be surprised if someone envies you just a little for it. My brother who took the more sensible path, frequently suggested that we go off on an adventure after he retired. Sadly, it was too late for him to attempt to recreate my adventures and his plans never got beyond the idea stage.
Adventuring is for the young...
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CPT Jack Durish "I suspect that, like me, it was a habit that formed even before we enlisted."
Describes me to a T sir. I've spent many a weekend as a kid terrifying my parents by wandering off into the woods XD.
Describes me to a T sir. I've spent many a weekend as a kid terrifying my parents by wandering off into the woods XD.
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I joined the local VFW when I retired. I did so to volunteer on the Honor Guard providing final honors to fallen comrades.
I have not been able to participate much since going back to college, but will start back up once I have completed my MBA.
I really do not do anything else with the VFW or American Legion.
Sitting in a cantina drinking and stuffing coins into "game" machines is just not my thing.
Neither is Bingo.
I have not been able to participate much since going back to college, but will start back up once I have completed my MBA.
I really do not do anything else with the VFW or American Legion.
Sitting in a cantina drinking and stuffing coins into "game" machines is just not my thing.
Neither is Bingo.
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SPC David Shaffer
I have not joined either. The organizations are a great resource to veterans, but they seem to be outdated in my honest opinion. I would never take anything away from them because they are great...just not for me.
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1SG William West
I'm a lifetime VFW member, but have only attended two meetings in my life. Couldn't see it as a good use of my time. I joined at the urging of a man I served downrange with and respect greatly. Just didn't do it for me I guess.
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Looked into the VFW here in NC and could not find a post. After further digging found out there do not have their own building but they use the city rec-center....anyway was immediately told they are not a drinking club and if thats what i wanted needed to look somewhere else. That being said I did not want a drinking club but a place for brotherhood and development of friendships would be nice. Anyway before I could even get to a meeting I had guys calling me for my credit card number to do a membership because "we have a package going up and need your name for votes".....anyway after that I got emails (again have not attended a meeting yet) wanting me to volunteer for this and that (which i'm all for but come on let me get a foot in door first)....anyway this happened to be around veterans day last year and when I asked what the chapter was doing I got nothing....they wanted volunteers to march in a parade...but no BBQ, fellowship, or anything.......anyway bottom line did not get a warm fuzzy from them on introduction, really not looking for a purely volunteer organization, got the feeling that since i'm not a local (i retired and moved here not born (or ever stationed) and raised) I was not "really" welcomed.....so did a tactical retreat and am looking for something else. Have not looked into the Legion, secondary to gun shyness from first attempt at contact with local veterans....but would love to join either if I can find a chapter that does not hit me with no drinking before saying hello or can give me the impression that they want something other than my money and time....I have plenty of both....but come on...how about "Hi Ron, meeting is on Monday hope to see you there"......not "whats your credit card number and can you come man the booth on Saturday"......anyway peace, love, and democracy to all (and seriously if anyone has legion information for fayetteville or hope mills NC i'd to get it)
SFC Charles W. Robinson
The thing that turned me off about the American Legion is that you do not have to be former military to join. I want that same feeling of fellowship that MSgt Ronald Stacy was talking about. That is why I went with the VFW; everyone is a Veteran. I like talking to the older Veterans myself. They have a lot of great stories and they get to tryout their old jokes on me - LoL! While I am going back to college, I just do not have the time available to do the volunteer work that I was doing before. I miss being on the Honor Guard, but I will return upon attaining my MBA. The biggest problem for me really is the limited fellowship opportunities. I don't drink, smoke, or gamble. I rarely play cards or dominoes anymore. In Iraq, we would often network our laptops together and play Call of Duty, play some roleplaying game, or play some table top war gaming. I love historical table top gaming the most (Ancients through WW2). I have not been able to find any players since retiring. When we were home, we spent most of our time with our family. Multiple deployments, often with a year or less in between them put a lot of pressure on our family. I find myself trying to make up for that now. It would be great if they could expand on this and do family events. My spouse misses the military culture just as much as I do. She had not been able to make friends very well since we retired in 2012. With four kids, she has her hands full. She just has not had the time to do much in the way of volunteer work neither.
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I am a life member of the Legion. Joined because the Post where i was had a great club with one of the best restaurants in town. Became a life member to support their programs especially their youth programs.
Even though my retirement letter credits me with 39 years and 2 days service I am not eligible for the VFW.
Even though my retirement letter credits me with 39 years and 2 days service I am not eligible for the VFW.
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Capt (Join to see)
Mine was the Legion in Lincoln, NE. The VFW in Bellevue, NE serves food also, but have never been there.
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I've been a member of the Legion since 1993. I am, well was, a plankowner in Legion Post 17 in Keizer, Oregon. I joined the VFW in 2020.
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Yes, i did join both the Legion and VFW, I'm a six term past Commander, Post Service Officer and over 20 terms as 1st Vice Commander. of our Legion post and Life Member of the VFW. I'm also a member of AMVETS, Life Member of the Air Force Security Forces Association and what was the Air Force Association (Now Air and Space Forces Association) Within our community I'm Chairman of both the Memorial Day and Veteran's Day committee and have been for years. I'm also involved as Administrator of six Military Facebook pages including one for a Military Academy, ( Bordentown Military Institute) I was a Cadet at before I entered the Armed Forces.
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every vet should belong to a vets group be AL VFW VVA DAV . With out these groups, there is no one top speak for the Vet. My understanding was the VA sys was started to aid the wounded vets of WW 1 and mostly for the gas victims. Local Doctors and hospitals had no experience in treating these cases. The American Legion did play a large part in this and without continuing work this could be lost.
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I am a member of both the AL and VFW but more active in the VFW. Our VFW holds an annual dinner for veterans that are in VA hospitals. In addition to dinner, we give them clothing, gift bags, and commissary chits that the vets can use at the VA hospital. It's a lot of work but totally worth it. We place flags on veteran's graves for Memorial Day. My Legion is a nice post on the waterfront that the wife and I go to sometimes and sit on the deck to relax, have a beer and talk to other vets. We also enjoy going to different posts in different areas when we travel. As far as not feeling welcome, I have not had that experience at any post I have visited. I have made new friends from all branches, and all conflicts from WWII - Afghanistan. I have met a few tools as well who gave me the stink eye because they don't think deployed REMF's are worthy. Too bad, deal with it, DILLIGAF is my response. Overall a great experience. Give it a try.
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