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ATTENTION: NOT ONE SINGLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR TRAINING ACADEMY IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES TEACHES OR TRAINS ITS POLICE RECRUITS TO "SHOOT TO KILL." NOT ONE.
Instead, police recruits are trained "to shoot to stop the criminal activity which has caused, is causing, or is likely to cause imminent serious bodily harm or death to the officer or to innocent persons IF the person or persons committing the criminal activity is not stopped. In actual firearms training, officers shoot at the 10-Ring in silhouette targets which corresponds to the "Center of Mass" in human bodies. No police officer anywhere in this country is trained to "shoot guns or knives out of hands" or "shoot criminals in the legs."
With those irrefutable FACTS in mind, I offer this "slightly" liberal article for respectful discussion and comment.
Instead, police recruits are trained "to shoot to stop the criminal activity which has caused, is causing, or is likely to cause imminent serious bodily harm or death to the officer or to innocent persons IF the person or persons committing the criminal activity is not stopped. In actual firearms training, officers shoot at the 10-Ring in silhouette targets which corresponds to the "Center of Mass" in human bodies. No police officer anywhere in this country is trained to "shoot guns or knives out of hands" or "shoot criminals in the legs."
With those irrefutable FACTS in mind, I offer this "slightly" liberal article for respectful discussion and comment.
Why police shoot to kill
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CDR (Join to see) All Law Enforcement are trained to shoot firearms to stop a threat. Law enforcement are not paid to be stabbed (21 foot danger radius), shot, or battered. An individual willing to produce a firearm or knife on a police officer to cause death or bodily harm is a great threat to individual police officer and the community in general. All law enforcement have families to return home to after their shift, and should use any force necessary to complete that mission. Blessed are the peacekeepers, for they shall be called the children of God.
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SGT Brad Baier
The fear of being shot should be a deterrent to these fools, but most or high and don't care. I say bring back public executions and start removing these violent offender permanently . I tired of seeing over crowded prisons where these criminals have more rights than guards watching them. Crime should come with harsh penalties. If you choose to break the law you will be dealt with harshly. I don't believe you can fix most of these thugs. They need to be scared of the consequences for any actions they decide to take. If they know they will be executed, I believe a lot of them will not break the laws.
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Ref: all USCG petty and commissioned officers are federal law enforcement officers similar to Customs Officers which goes back to the Revenue Marine of 1790.
I agree with the Senior Chief. I attended the Maritime Law Enforcement School and was a boarding officer in the CG for five years. As Weapons Officer on a 378ft cutter, I authorized others to carry sidearms. Also was a SCIF security officer for two years. I never was taught to "shoot to kill". Policy was "Shoot to stop".
Before someone carry a weapon, three steps are necessary (this is old info, but still pertinent). 1) basic marksmanship. 2) Advanced range training in pistols, shotguns, and rifles. 3) Pass judgmental shooting course.
Performance during boarding is reviewed to continue the carry authorization. Had to remove authorization for a PO1 and a Ltjg. USCG takes the burden of their LE powers very seriously. So far this ability has been faithfully enforced. I can't think of a bad shooting event.
I agree with the Senior Chief. I attended the Maritime Law Enforcement School and was a boarding officer in the CG for five years. As Weapons Officer on a 378ft cutter, I authorized others to carry sidearms. Also was a SCIF security officer for two years. I never was taught to "shoot to kill". Policy was "Shoot to stop".
Before someone carry a weapon, three steps are necessary (this is old info, but still pertinent). 1) basic marksmanship. 2) Advanced range training in pistols, shotguns, and rifles. 3) Pass judgmental shooting course.
Performance during boarding is reviewed to continue the carry authorization. Had to remove authorization for a PO1 and a Ltjg. USCG takes the burden of their LE powers very seriously. So far this ability has been faithfully enforced. I can't think of a bad shooting event.
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I am not a police officer so I have no idea on this but I am curious as to why tasers are not used more often? Is it because the average distance between a police officer and the individual they shoot at is to great for a tasers? Are they not as effective as they seem? I just ask because there seems to be several instances recently where an individual is killed (some armed and some unarmed) and this might not have happened if a taser was used. Obviously not all of these situations would allow for a taser but it seems that quite a few could have been resolved by a taser vice bullets.
Are there other non-lethal weapons that police have looked at using by chance? I know the military has been looking at non-lethal weapons systems and I just wondered if that technology has found it's way into the law enforcement sector.
Are there other non-lethal weapons that police have looked at using by chance? I know the military has been looking at non-lethal weapons systems and I just wondered if that technology has found it's way into the law enforcement sector.
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SPC Casey Ashfield
SSG (Join to see) - On which model? The expended cartridge needs to be removed on the M26 in order to fire again. The X2 does not. Because of this I consider the X2 to be the better model. Most PDs I know prefer the M26 because it is smaller and lighter though.
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SGT Tim Soyars
Also consider plain closeted officers. There just isn't any room to carry a Taser on a regular basis. It hard enough to carry a weapon, extra ammo, and possibly a radio on your pants belt. It's a back killer to wear everything on you patrol duty belt in uniform. Regular belts just don't do the job. Years ago I saw investigators who carried a 5 shot revolver and maybe, just maybe, 5 extra rounds in their pocket with their loose change.
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SSgt Clare May
Time of year CDR (Join to see) ... thicker clothing, Taser may be useless... Type of suspect... i.e. meth induced cocaine induced...may not have desired results... suspects who fall and roll to disengage distance shot taser projectile points.
Perspective....WW2, Japanese wrapping themselves with wet bamboo to deflect .45 1911 ammo... it still hurt with impact... but initial survivability increased...i.e. suspect when struck with non lethal force weapon by police survivability factors of suspect increase...fight...or...flight.
Let's say a weapon is designed for a single target, aka, sonic soundwaves... you better make damn sure you dont hit an innocent bystander... Every time technology advances for less than deadly force, you're putting one more item on the street cops duty gear. You are also increasing the chances the officer errors in weapons choice, add in more milliseconds to an officer's reaction time to choose between weapon a,b, c, d, e, f, g, etc...
Tasers are not the ultimate weapons of non lethal deadly force encounters, they are only one selection of several already on the marketplace. Tasers are worthless in a suspect barricaded inside a home, or a motor vehicle. Tasers are basically useless when confronting multiple suspects intent on harm. Foam and deployed nets... are only good for a specific issue or suspect's) encounters...
I recon in conclusion... it comes down to cost of the new and improved non lethal deadly force weapon... When smaller agencies like the one I ran have a total equipment budget of $21,800.00 a year...and the new improved system costs $5 or $6,000.00 each and you got 6 officers to arm, then where does the money come from to pay for citation books? Prisoner Transports? Paper supplies? Ammunition for re-qualifications? Body armour? Computer maintenance or resupply? Uniforms destroyed by wrestling with non compliance warrant arrestees? Armoury costs to replace broken weapon parts? Crime scene processing supplies and equipment? Fuel for patrol vehicles? Maintenance of patrol vehicles? Handheld radios? ...I think you get the idea.
Perspective....WW2, Japanese wrapping themselves with wet bamboo to deflect .45 1911 ammo... it still hurt with impact... but initial survivability increased...i.e. suspect when struck with non lethal force weapon by police survivability factors of suspect increase...fight...or...flight.
Let's say a weapon is designed for a single target, aka, sonic soundwaves... you better make damn sure you dont hit an innocent bystander... Every time technology advances for less than deadly force, you're putting one more item on the street cops duty gear. You are also increasing the chances the officer errors in weapons choice, add in more milliseconds to an officer's reaction time to choose between weapon a,b, c, d, e, f, g, etc...
Tasers are not the ultimate weapons of non lethal deadly force encounters, they are only one selection of several already on the marketplace. Tasers are worthless in a suspect barricaded inside a home, or a motor vehicle. Tasers are basically useless when confronting multiple suspects intent on harm. Foam and deployed nets... are only good for a specific issue or suspect's) encounters...
I recon in conclusion... it comes down to cost of the new and improved non lethal deadly force weapon... When smaller agencies like the one I ran have a total equipment budget of $21,800.00 a year...and the new improved system costs $5 or $6,000.00 each and you got 6 officers to arm, then where does the money come from to pay for citation books? Prisoner Transports? Paper supplies? Ammunition for re-qualifications? Body armour? Computer maintenance or resupply? Uniforms destroyed by wrestling with non compliance warrant arrestees? Armoury costs to replace broken weapon parts? Crime scene processing supplies and equipment? Fuel for patrol vehicles? Maintenance of patrol vehicles? Handheld radios? ...I think you get the idea.
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