Posted on Oct 21, 2020
Forget Shutdowns. It’s ‘Demand Shock’ That’s Killing Our Economy.
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"...the experience of restaurants and gyms and theme parks is telling us is that the problem now isn’t lockdowns. It’s something more basic: justifiable fear."
Forget Shutdowns. It’s ‘Demand Shock’ That’s Killing Our Economy.
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This country is stupid. Trump is pushing unsafe guidelines, boasting the pandemic is a thing of the past, and attacks scientists. This brainless approach perpetuates the pandemic which creates an atmosphere of fear. It truly is unbelievable what Trump is doing to the country.
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That article is dead on. My wife and I planed on wintering in Florida, right up until the governor opened things all the way up. Now we are not going there and the state will get no revenue from us.
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Or maybe people are concerned about their finances and the uncertainty of when the pandemic will be over, so they are exercising some financial prudence.
People can peddle fear all they want, that doesn't mean it is justified for all. There are high risks demographics that need to be protected. The rest of us can go about the business of our country.
People can peddle fear all they want, that doesn't mean it is justified for all. There are high risks demographics that need to be protected. The rest of us can go about the business of our country.
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SPC Kevin Ford
Maj John Bell I'v eheard that "high risk" demographic is about 20% of the country (I've heard as high as 30%). How are we going to keep just them isolated and not mix them in with the rest of the population?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/one-in-five-people-worldwide-at-risk-of-severe-covid-19-study-says.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/one-in-five-people-worldwide-at-risk-of-severe-covid-19-study-says.html
One in five people worldwide is at risk of developing 'severe' cases of Covid-19, scientists...
According to new research, 1.7 billion people around the world — or 22% of the global population — are at "increased risk" of developing severe symptoms if infected with Covid-19.
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Maj John Bell
SPC Kevin Ford - Instead of what we've heard, let's use your own link.
"Scientists also estimated that 349 million people worldwide, or 4% of the global population, were at “high risk” of developing severe Covid-19 if infected with the virus. Individuals who fell into the high risk category were defined as those who would require hospital admission if they fell ill with the virus, and included people who may not have any underlying health conditions."
So the first step is to define "High Risk." Then Identify those who are high risk.
Next, there is a definite correlation between age and "high risk." How many of the "high risk" demographic have aged out of the work force and are no longer dependent on employment to maintain their lifestyle?
Next, instead of indiscriminately spreading stimulus checks across American households, regardless of need; use the money to support the "high risk" demographic that are dependent on employment to maintain their lifestyle.
Next, incentivize the private sector to find ways to provide essential goods and services to "high risk" house holds in ways that minimize the risk of exposure.
Beyond that the burden to self-quarantines and/or minimize exposure falls to the "high risk" demographic themselves.
As an example, I run a small "boutique" dairy goat operation. My herd has been kept safe from possible exposure to a wide variety of zoonotic diseases by somewhat but not overly burdensome mitigation measure for over 20 years.
"Scientists also estimated that 349 million people worldwide, or 4% of the global population, were at “high risk” of developing severe Covid-19 if infected with the virus. Individuals who fell into the high risk category were defined as those who would require hospital admission if they fell ill with the virus, and included people who may not have any underlying health conditions."
So the first step is to define "High Risk." Then Identify those who are high risk.
Next, there is a definite correlation between age and "high risk." How many of the "high risk" demographic have aged out of the work force and are no longer dependent on employment to maintain their lifestyle?
Next, instead of indiscriminately spreading stimulus checks across American households, regardless of need; use the money to support the "high risk" demographic that are dependent on employment to maintain their lifestyle.
Next, incentivize the private sector to find ways to provide essential goods and services to "high risk" house holds in ways that minimize the risk of exposure.
Beyond that the burden to self-quarantines and/or minimize exposure falls to the "high risk" demographic themselves.
As an example, I run a small "boutique" dairy goat operation. My herd has been kept safe from possible exposure to a wide variety of zoonotic diseases by somewhat but not overly burdensome mitigation measure for over 20 years.
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SPC Kevin Ford
Maj John Bell -Ther problem here is in the implementation. People cannot effectively self quarantine if they need things like food so we'd need to find a solution for that. People who are high risk and working are going to be required to come in by their employer outside of some mandates there. Then there is our healthcare system. How many people have not been to a doctor in years so they don't necessarily know if they are high risk or not. Then there is the problem is knowing if herd immunity is even a thing so outside of a societal wide pressure to get a vaccine ASAP, those people may be stuck in quarantine indefinitey.
I'm not saying what you are suggesting is impossible, but the devil will be in the details. I don't know if there is any place that has done what you suggest, either successfully or unsuccessfully.
I'm not saying what you are suggesting is impossible, but the devil will be in the details. I don't know if there is any place that has done what you suggest, either successfully or unsuccessfully.
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Maj John Bell
SPC Kevin Ford -
_"People cannot effectively self quarantine if they need things like food so we'd need to find a solution for that." What do they do now? But I think I addressed that with...
"Next, incentivize the private sector to find ways to provide essential goods and services to "high risk" house holds in ways that minimize the risk of exposure." To some extent they have. Even in the small grocery store (about the size of 2-3 7-11's the first 2 hours they are open on Tuesday and Saturday they are only open for "high risk" customers and they do a thorough sanitizing of the store the night before. They also offer curb side pick up where an employee put your order together and loads your vehicle.
There is absolutely nothing to stop Congress from protecting protecting "high Risk" employees. They already did so CARES Act. And could further strengthen the protections under the aegis of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
_"Then there is the problem is knowing if herd immunity is even a thing so outside of a societal wide pressure to get a vaccine ASAP, those people may be stuck in quarantine indefinitely."
The course we are on does nothing to address the issue either. I don't claim to be an infectious disease expert, but as I implied I'm probably more versed than most because the measures I take to protect my dairy goats. What I know is right now we are following ineffective half-measures and simultaneously destroying the economy. Some of the states that have had the most stringent measures also have the highest infection and mortality rates. My state, Michigan is a prime example.
_"People cannot effectively self quarantine if they need things like food so we'd need to find a solution for that." What do they do now? But I think I addressed that with...
"Next, incentivize the private sector to find ways to provide essential goods and services to "high risk" house holds in ways that minimize the risk of exposure." To some extent they have. Even in the small grocery store (about the size of 2-3 7-11's the first 2 hours they are open on Tuesday and Saturday they are only open for "high risk" customers and they do a thorough sanitizing of the store the night before. They also offer curb side pick up where an employee put your order together and loads your vehicle.
There is absolutely nothing to stop Congress from protecting protecting "high Risk" employees. They already did so CARES Act. And could further strengthen the protections under the aegis of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
_"Then there is the problem is knowing if herd immunity is even a thing so outside of a societal wide pressure to get a vaccine ASAP, those people may be stuck in quarantine indefinitely."
The course we are on does nothing to address the issue either. I don't claim to be an infectious disease expert, but as I implied I'm probably more versed than most because the measures I take to protect my dairy goats. What I know is right now we are following ineffective half-measures and simultaneously destroying the economy. Some of the states that have had the most stringent measures also have the highest infection and mortality rates. My state, Michigan is a prime example.
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